So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

[CFH]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

Do you buy into stuff like that? I always think Pascal will struggle with someone who constantly opens up on him. Dawson could have had him out of there in the 11th if he'd have been smarter.

I rate Pascal but i see absolutely nothing to suggest he'd get any closer to beating Froch than he did 2 years ago. Only my opinion though mate.

I do in Pascal's case. He's said as much himself. They've also trained/sparred together since their fight, so they seem to feel that they learn a lot by beating on each other.

I don't know if he would beat Froch if they fought again, they've both grown as fighters since then, but I'd love to see the fight.

[ono]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

Do you buy into stuff like that? I always think Pascal will struggle with someone who constantly opens up on him. Dawson could have had him out of there in the 11th if he'd have been smarter.

I rate Pascal but i see absolutely nothing to suggest he'd get any closer to beating Froch than he did 2 years ago. Only my opinion though mate.

I do in Pascal's case. He's said as much himself. They've also trained/sparred together since their fight, so they seem to feel that they learn a lot by beating on each other.

I don't know if he would beat Froch if they fought again, they've both grown as fighters since then, but I'd love to see the fight.

Yeah that is true. It was one hell of a fight. I wouldn't mind watching it again.

[Rantcatrat]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

[skel1983]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

Hard one that as Ward beat Kessler and he beat Froch depends how you look at it I think the Pascal win in hindsight is better than the Kessler win as Kessler has never been the outright champ and Pascal is now the man at 175, Kessler has never been p4p top ten.

It is all opinions but fight by fight Froch Resume is much better but the crucial win is Wards v Kessler many thought Kessler was the number 1 when Ward beat him.

[amat]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

On paper it's Froch, but when you watch the fights I think it's pretty clear that Ward is more impressive. Froch has a win over Dirrell but it's not actually a win in my opinion. In fact I thought it was the biggest robbery of last year.

As for my P4P list.

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Bradley
4. Ward
5. Martinez
6. Marquez
7. JML
8. Bute
9. Montiel
10. Froch

That's who I think the best fighters are, I don't rely nearly as much as others on resume. Everything looks the same on paper but to put Froch at 10 is a GIANT GIANT GIANT GIANT step for me and evidence that he has proved me a lot more then just a little bit wrong.

[somnolence]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

On paper it's Froch, but when you watch the fights I think it's pretty clear that Ward is more impressive.

I agree with that definitely, aside from Froch's last fight. Before he was just far too risky and it seemed like he could be knocked out anytime with his low hands and batterings he took (yet managed to endure)
Can't wait for Froch Ward when it happens I hope Hennessy sorts himself and makes it available on TV too.

[JazMerkin]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

On paper it's Froch, but when you watch the fights I think it's pretty clear that Ward is more impressive. Froch has a win over Dirrell but it's not actually a win in my opinion. In fact I thought it was the biggest robbery of last year.

As for my P4P list.

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Bradley
4. Ward
5. Martinez
6. Marquez
7. JML
8. Bute
9. Montiel
10. Froch

That's who I think the best fighters are, I don't rely nearly as much as others on resume. Everything looks the same on paper but to put Froch at 10 is a GIANT GIANT GIANT GIANT step for me and evidence that he has proved me a lot more then just a little bit wrong.

This pretty much sums it up for me, and bar one or two changes, this is pretty similar to my Top 10.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Andre Ward
6. Fernando Montiel
7. Juan Manuel Lopez
8. Tim Bradley
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Devon Alexander

I've got Alexander in there ahead of Froch because I felt he just edged Kotelnik (not a popular opinion I know) & looking over their last 3 fights I felt that Froch lost to both Dirrell (by some distance) & Kessler (close), while Alexander's win over Urango remains the performance that probably shocked me more than any other this year. In fact there are probably one or two other guys I'd have in there ahead of him still.

I suppose I should get the Pound for Pound voting back up but I'll most likely do it in the new year as there's just too little time for me right now with work & training.

[ono]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

On paper it's Froch, but when you watch the fights I think it's pretty clear that Ward is more impressive. Froch has a win over Dirrell but it's not actually a win in my opinion. In fact I thought it was the biggest robbery of last year.

As for my P4P list.

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Bradley
4. Ward
5. Martinez
6. Marquez
7. JML
8. Bute
9. Montiel
10. Froch

That's who I think the best fighters are, I don't rely nearly as much as others on resume. Everything looks the same on paper but to put Froch at 10 is a GIANT GIANT GIANT GIANT step for me and evidence that he has proved me a lot more then just a little bit wrong.

This pretty much sums it up for me, and bar one or two changes, this is pretty similar to my Top 10.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Andre Ward
6. Fernando Montiel
7. Juan Manuel Lopez
8. Tim Bradley
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Devon Alexander

I've got Alexander in there ahead of Froch because I felt he just edged Kotelnik (not a popular opinion I know) & looking over their last 3 fights I felt that Froch lost to both Dirrell (by some distance) & Kessler (close), while Alexander's win over Urango remains the performance that probably shocked me more than any other this year. In fact there are probably one or two other guys I'd have in there ahead of him still.

I suppose I should get the Pound for Pound voting back up but I'll most likely do it in the new year as there's just too little time for me right now with work & training.

Alexander?

[JazMerkin]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

On paper it's Froch, but when you watch the fights I think it's pretty clear that Ward is more impressive. Froch has a win over Dirrell but it's not actually a win in my opinion. In fact I thought it was the biggest robbery of last year.

As for my P4P list.

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Bradley
4. Ward
5. Martinez
6. Marquez
7. JML
8. Bute
9. Montiel
10. Froch

That's who I think the best fighters are, I don't rely nearly as much as others on resume. Everything looks the same on paper but to put Froch at 10 is a GIANT GIANT GIANT GIANT step for me and evidence that he has proved me a lot more then just a little bit wrong.

This pretty much sums it up for me, and bar one or two changes, this is pretty similar to my Top 10.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Andre Ward
6. Fernando Montiel
7. Juan Manuel Lopez
8. Tim Bradley
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Devon Alexander

I've got Alexander in there ahead of Froch because I felt he just edged Kotelnik (not a popular opinion I know) & looking over their last 3 fights I felt that Froch lost to both Dirrell (by some distance) & Kessler (close), while Alexander's win over Urango remains the performance that probably shocked me more than any other this year. In fact there are probably one or two other guys I'd have in there ahead of him still.

I suppose I should get the Pound for Pound voting back up but I'll most likely do it in the new year as there's just too little time for me right now with work & training.

Alexander?

Like I said, I had him beating Kotelnik & I was very impressed by his wins against Urango & Witter. Taking in those 3 fights impresses me more than Froch's performances in his 3 most recent outings. Even the Kotelnik performance aside, I think he's the best of the guys at 140 & I reckon he will prove it over the next year. I hope I'm wrong because him & his dickhead of a trainer piss me off, but I think he's special when he fights smart.

Although a lot of people place importance on resume, I try to think about performance & who I think would win if all things were equal. I might even have Khan above Froch p4p right now tbh. Although I'm guessing you have less of an issue with that