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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    I see Khan outboxing Maidana's ears off. But can he do it through 12 rounds without getting caught with a big wallop? That is the big question. Maidana is one tough motherf - he will not be easy to break down, and he's not just a typical brawler, he's got boxing skills too.

    Yes imo, the fight is 50/50.

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    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
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    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Casamayor who was old and Diaz who aint no better than Paulie, JMM was great but is not any more in his prime Fact, Khon is bigger, faster, freasher and Coach Roach knows when the cherrys ripe to pluck, the Marques bit was Ironic btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Casamayor who was old and Diaz who aint no better than Paulie, JMM was great but is not any more in his prime Fact, Khon is bigger, faster, freasher and Coach Roach knows when the cherrys ripe to pluck, the Marques bit was Ironic btw.
    I love Hindsight.

    All 3 were highly rated top 3-5 fighters at lightweight. Marquez stopped them all. He doesn't have to be in his prime to beat Khan. He would be Khan's best opponent by a country mile.

    Couldn't make it up. Knocks the top contenders out at light weight, but has no chance against a guy you refer to as Khon (presumably because you don't rate him) at light-welter weight. I think i need to sit down.
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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    I think Maidana has been more overrated. People were touting the guy like he would destroy Khan and it would be suicide for Khan to fight him. But from what I see of him, I see a limited guy with a lot of heart and power. I expect Khan to completely dominate him and possibly stop him. The way he looked in his last fight, I don't see why Khan wouldn't beat him one sidedly. He has an average chin as well, say what you will about Khan's chin but he will reach Maidana's first.

    What this fight will be, is a good test of Khan's boxing skill to see where he is at. if Maidana beats him, he doesn't deserve his championship, because of Maidana, bradley, Khan and Alexander, Maidana is the most limited.
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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    Battle between 2 of the most overrated fighters in the division. Winner fights Ortiz for Over rated champ of 140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    I think Maidana has been more overrated. People were touting the guy like he would destroy Khan and it would be suicide for Khan to fight him. But from what I see of him, I see a limited guy with a lot of heart and power. I expect Khan to completely dominate him and possibly stop him. The way he looked in his last fight, I don't see why Khan wouldn't beat him one sidedly. He has an average chin as well, say what you will about Khan's chin but he will reach Maidana's first.

    What this fight will be, is a good test of Khan's boxing skill to see where he is at. if Maidana beats him, he doesn't deserve his championship, because of Maidana, bradley, Khan and Alexander, Maidana is the most limited.
    As far as I know Maidana is the one who's showing up as the underdog in the eyes of many. He's alright to me. He has two ko wins over top 140 pound prospects Victor ortiz and Victor cayo and just 1 loss that was controversial anyway to kotelnik so how can maidana be overrated? He's virtually undefeated.

    Ring Mag has him at #4 JrWW... behind Bradley, Khan, and Alexander. So who would you rather take his place at #4?... Kotelnik, Urango, Maliggnagi, Peterson?

    C'mon now dude.

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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Casamayor who was old and Diaz who aint no better than Paulie, JMM was great but is not any more in his prime Fact, Khon is bigger, faster, freasher and Coach Roach knows when the cherrys ripe to pluck, the Marques bit was Ironic btw.
    I love Hindsight.

    All 3 were highly rated top 3-5 fighters at lightweight. Marquez stopped them all. He doesn't have to be in his prime to beat Khan. He would be Khan's best opponent by a country mile.

    Couldn't make it up. Knocks the top contenders out at light weight, but has no chance against a guy you refer to as Khon (presumably because you don't rate him) at light-welter weight. I think i need to sit down.

    All were Top 3. Casamayor was the division champ. Diaz was the best outside of JMM himself & Nate Campbell & Katsidis was rated the best outside of JMM. I think people overhype the defeat to PBF as him not being good at a higher weight. There's a big difference between Mayweather & Amir.

    Quote Originally Posted by ono
    Surely Devon Alexander is more over-rated? I mean people on here have him on their p4p lists (sorry Jaz)
    You bastard! You'll eat crow in January, please stop this or I might actually end up rooting for the spam-headed bastard!

    As it is, Maidana is easily the most over-rated at the weight. Khan & Ortiz are battling for the most underrated imo right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.

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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
    Good post. And that final part is perhaps the most significant.

    We saw with Campbell that age and weight gain don't neccessarily go hand in hand. Of course, Marquez is a better fighter than Campbell, but we should never underestimate how tough it is for an old smaller man to jump up in weight. Having this kind of shelf life at LW is remarkable enough on its own. Plus someone like Khan has all those natural size advantages to boot.

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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
    That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
    Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.

    Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.

    Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
    That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
    Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.

    Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.

    Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
    You're right in that the sport is littered with guys making the jump without any problems, but those guys are usually young or in their physical prime, not in their late 30s. JMM is 37. That is a very advance age not only in boxing but any sport, guys moving up in weight at an advance age do not dominate or are very competitive at the new weight class, someone might bring up Hopkins but those scenarios are the exception and not the rule.

    Who would I pick to beat JMM at 140. Pac, Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana.

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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
    That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
    Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.

    Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.

    Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
    You're right in that the sport is littered with guys making the jump without any problems, but those guys are usually young or in their physical prime, not in their late 30s. JMM is 37. That is a very advance age not only in boxing but any sport, guys moving up in weight at an advance age do not dominate or are very competitive at the new weight class, someone might bring up Hopkins but those scenarios are the exception and not the rule.

    Who would I pick to beat JMM at 140. Pac, Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana.
    But you don't know that Marquez isn't an exception to the rule. Given his effectiveness at lightweight, i'd say there's a good chance that he is. I'm genuinley astonished that you'd make Alexander and Maidana favourites if they were to face Marquez.
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    Default Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Duke View Post
    Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
    The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?

    I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140
    JMM can compete at 147, he just can't deal with the outside style, even Malignaggi would beat JMM.

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