De La Hoya: Pacquiao makes fighters lose on the scales 1st

[Gandalf]

And let's not forget the most important factor, Bilbo. We all want Mayweather/Pacquiao, but that fight just ain't happening.

[Kev]

And let's not forget the most important factor, Bilbo. We all want Mayweather/Pacquiao, but that fight just ain't happening.

I think that's more Floyd's doing than Manny's though.

I really don't see why moving up would be a disadvantage to Marquez any more than it is to Manny?

Both fighters are the same size. Manny has no natural size advantage over Marquez.

If you feel that Manny carries his extra size better, you may have a point. Certainly it seems not to have affected his speed much, and he seems to be stronger now. Maybe Marquez is better below a certain weight, but we no evidence of that other than the fact that Floyd dominated him with ease. But then Floyd, is, well Floyd, and what's to say he wouldn't handle Manny just as easily?

If you want to argue that Marquez is not as effective at the higher weight, you have to equally accept that Manny has proven more effective there, than at superfeatherweight, where he admittedly struggled with Juan Manuel in his final fight there.

Manny is clearly fighting better at 147 so why should he disadvantage himself moving down?

It isn't Manny who needs to chase anybody,as I said earlier he is the prize, and if Marquez really wants him he will, and in my opinion should, be the one who has to go to the champ.

The mountain didn't come to Muhammad after all.

[Gandalf]

And let's not forget the most important factor, Bilbo. We all want Mayweather/Pacquiao, but that fight just ain't happening.

I think that's more Floyd's doing than Manny's though.

I really don't see why moving up would be a disadvantage to Marquez any more than it is to Manny?

Both fighters are the same size. Manny has no natural size advantage over Marquez.

If you feel that Manny carries his extra size better, you may have a point. Certainly it seems not to have affected his speed much, and he seems to be stronger now. Maybe Marquez is better below a certain weight, but we no evidence of that other than the fact that Floyd dominated him with ease. But then Floyd, is, well Floyd, and what's to say he wouldn't handle Manny just as easily?

If you want to argue that Marquez is not as effective at the higher weight, you have to equally accept that Manny has proven more effective there, than at superfeatherweight, where he admittedly struggled with Juan Manuel in his final fight there.

Manny is clearly fighting better at 147 so why should he disadvantage himself moving down?

It isn't Manny who needs to chase anybody,as I said earlier he is the prize, and if Marquez really wants him he will, and in my opinion should, be the one who has to go to the champ.

The mountain didn't come to Muhammad after all.

I think we are finally getting to a point of agreement.

I want to see Floyd against Pac as much as anyone and the biggest obstacle has been Floyd. But I don't blame him, Manny since moving up has been a freak! Manny wasn't breaking jawbones 5 years ago. And in recent years he has broken the orbital bones of two very strong WW's. That isn't normal.

No, I agree with you. Marquez has been a great boxer in the lower weights and somehow Pac has gone up and become something else. I really don't want Marquez to face that something else. Not unless it means an even playing field and that does mean JWW. But to be honest, I would rather they both moved elsewhere as they are never going to agree on weight and it will not be in the favour of Marquez.

You call me biased, but again that is another slur you have put upon me. I am actually very supportive of Manny and especially want to see him defeat Mayweather, but in no way do I want to see easy matchups against people way outside their weight classes.

[generalbulldog]

And let's not forget the most important factor, Bilbo. We all want Mayweather/Pacquiao, but that fight just ain't happening.

I think that's more Floyd's doing than Manny's though.

I really don't see why moving up would be a disadvantage to Marquez any more than it is to Manny?

Both fighters are the same size. Manny has no natural size advantage over Marquez.

If you feel that Manny carries his extra size better, you may have a point. Certainly it seems not to have affected his speed much, and he seems to be stronger now. Maybe Marquez is better below a certain weight, but we no evidence of that other than the fact that Floyd dominated him with ease. But then Floyd, is, well Floyd, and what's to say he wouldn't handle Manny just as easily?

If you want to argue that Marquez is not as effective at the higher weight, you have to equally accept that Manny has proven more effective there, than at superfeatherweight, where he admittedly struggled with Juan Manuel in his final fight there.

Manny is clearly fighting better at 147 so why should he disadvantage himself moving down?

It isn't Manny who needs to chase anybody,as I said earlier he is the prize, and if Marquez really wants him he will, and in my opinion should, be the one who has to go to the champ.

The mountain didn't come to Muhammad after all.

I agree with the part in bold. JMM wanted a 3rd match? Maybe he shouldn't have asked for 50/50 for everything and OSTD up till the day of the fight when the fight was proposed to him by Pac's team in January of this year. Marquez Wanted 50-50 Split, Blood Tests For Pacquiao - Boxing News

I know JMM fans will say anything below 50/50 money wise for him is unfair, but he's not the one that brings the masses to come see his fights and order the US PPVs or is 1/2 the face of boxing. Boxing after all is a business.

[milmascaras1]

i will agree that oscar de la hoya is talking nonsense when he says pacquiao makes fighters lose on the scales. nobody forces them to do it. concerning marquez however, he knew he wasn't going to get a 50/50 split but that is only a negotiation ploy. believe me, if he was offered a 70/30 split he would take it in a heartbeat because he knows he would give pacquiao hell.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

i will agree that oscar de la hoya is talking nonsense when he says pacquiao makes fighters lose on the scales. nobody forces them to do it. concerning marquez however, he knew he wasn't going to get a 50/50 split but that is only a negotiation ploy. believe me, if he was offered a 70/30 split he would take it in a heartbeat because he knows he would give pacquiao hell.

If the demand for 50/50 split by the JMM camp then was a negotiation ploy, then it failed miserably because the Pacquiao camp did not bite.

I hope you're right that they would accept a 70/30 split in a heartbeat.