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Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
And let's not forget the most important factor, Bilbo. We all want Mayweather/Pacquiao, but that fight just ain't happening.

I think that's more Floyd's doing than Manny's though.

I really don't see why moving up would be a disadvantage to Marquez any more than it is to Manny?

Both fighters are the same size. Manny has no natural size advantage over Marquez.

If you feel that Manny carries his extra size better, you may have a point. Certainly it seems not to have affected his speed much, and he seems to be stronger now. Maybe Marquez is better below a certain weight, but we no evidence of that other than the fact that Floyd dominated him with ease. But then Floyd, is, well Floyd, and what's to say he wouldn't handle Manny just as easily?

If you want to argue that Marquez is not as effective at the higher weight, you have to equally accept that Manny has proven more effective there, than at superfeatherweight, where he admittedly struggled with Juan Manuel in his final fight there.

Manny is clearly fighting better at 147 so why should he disadvantage himself moving down?

It isn't Manny who needs to chase anybody,as I said earlier he is the prize, and if Marquez really wants him he will, and in my opinion should, be the one who has to go to the champ.

The mountain didn't come to Muhammad after all.
I think we are finally getting to a point of agreement.

I want to see Floyd against Pac as much as anyone and the biggest obstacle has been Floyd. But I don't blame him, Manny since moving up has been a freak! Manny wasn't breaking jawbones 5 years ago. And in recent years he has broken the orbital bones of two very strong WW's. That isn't normal.

No, I agree with you. Marquez has been a great boxer in the lower weights and somehow Pac has gone up and become something else. I really don't want Marquez to face that something else. Not unless it means an even playing field and that does mean JWW. But to be honest, I would rather they both moved elsewhere as they are never going to agree on weight and it will not be in the favour of Marquez.

You call me biased, but again that is another slur you have put upon me. I am actually very supportive of Manny and especially want to see him defeat Mayweather, but in no way do I want to see easy matchups against people way outside their weight classes.