Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?

[Taeth]

It could depend on the weight.

JMM may not be as great above 135. However Pac may not be as great below 140. As for Shane I think he does beat JMM at 147 but that could be because of how poor JMM is above 135.

JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?

Do we know how good JMM is above 135? He could very well be nearly as successful as Pacquiao if he moved up to 140 and 147, I don't think he could ever match Manny's power and speed, but he is almost as effective offensively IMO.

I don't think it's fair to base JMM competence on the fight against Floyd, because it's Floyd Mayweather. Marquez and Pacquiao are combination punchers when they are at their best, and nobody lands combinations on Floyd. Stylistically Marquez wouldn't have had the speed to deal with Mayweather even if they were the same size. Honestly, besides a couple of inches in height Floyd wasn't that much bigger than Marquez, and he was just as much faster when he was a lightweight as Marquez is at 135. I think people see Marquez being dramatically slower at 147 because we can compare it directly to his last fight which took place at 135, but go back and look at Floyd at 135 and he was way faster in terms of footspeed. Everyone gets slower as they get bigger, and Floyd wasn't that much bigger than JMM maybe 4 pounds and two inches taller.

Back to the point, I think Mosley matches up much better physically against Manny than JMM does, and I think JMM does well stylistically against Pacquiao, maybe even better than Mosley, but it's impossible to tell because we've seen Pacquiao fight somebody with a style roughly like JMM's about 7 times, and we haven't seen fight somebody like Mosley ever. That's why it intrigues me far more. Even Berto's blistering speed and ability on the outside makes me feel like he is a better and more unique challenge than JMM is for Manny, but I think he gets knocked out because he doesn't seem to have the mental sharpness to fight against Pacquiao for 12 rounds. He just hasn't shown it.

[killersheep]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

[Kev]

It's not often I agree with Taeth but here I do. People are saying Mosley has been ruined as a credible opponent because of his defeat to Floyd, but Floyd beat Marquez even easier than he beat Shane.

Mosley almost put Floyd down, against Mayweather the only people at risk being put to sleep by Marquez were the fans.

Mosley vs Pacquaio is a great matchup imo. I'd love to see it.

[ross]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

[GAME]

When you compare both Mosleys and Marquez' performances against Mayweather back to back. Both got completely schooled in every aspect but the difference is in 1 round Mosley had Floyd hurt whereas Marquez was dropped by Floyd in 1 round.

After two attempts Marquez has failed to convince the judges he is better than Pac so its probably time to let someone else have a go. Mosley is bigger than Marquez, obviously hits harder and has a better chin. Lets see how his style does against Pac instead of Marquez again. Ideally it should be Sergio vs Pac but if it were between these two faded greats Id go with Shane.

[Taeth]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.

Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.

Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.

Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.

Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.

Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.

Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.

ummm Mayorga wasn't winning rounds? the fight was almost even going into the final round, that's why the last minute KO was such a big deal

[0james0]

The simple answer is simply because JMM is better.

SSM has been on the slide for years now and he's gone from sliding to free fall. It just wouldn't be competitive

[Taeth]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.

Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.

Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.

Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.

ummm Mayorga wasn't winning rounds? the fight was almost even going into the final round, that's why the last minute KO was such a big deal

lol watch the fight again, Mayorga wasn't landing anything, if you give rounds for just coming forward and looking awkward, then all the best to you.

[Master]

Shane is more viable than JMM at welter because he is a legitimate fighter at that weight. I would prefer to see Pac fight Berto however.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.

Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.

Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.

Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.

ummm Mayorga wasn't winning rounds? the fight was almost even going into the final round, that's why the last minute KO was such a big deal

lol watch the fight again, Mayorga wasn't landing anything, if you give rounds for just coming forward and looking awkward, then all the best to you.

scores going into the fight were Tony Crebs 107-102 (Mosley), Pat Russell 104-105 (Mayorga), Nelson Vazquez 105-104 (Mosley), think you need to rewatch the fight, why is it not shocking that Taeth once again thinks he's the all knowing poster when FACT is that Mayorga was very much in the fight ON THE SCORECARDS

[Andre]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.

Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.

Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.

Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.

I think Mosleys excessive speed with power used to come from his ability to move in a straight line and strike with divine timing. Its was like watching a mobile gunslinger whenever he fought someone who would be right in front of him,specially someone without a jab, he came into his own.

Manny is sharper and for longer, he will time him instead and be moving around freely replying with those angles of his own.

I think Shane will get caught moving in.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

JMM has no chance above 140 . Look for Pac camp to set it at 147. Pac would not fight Cotto at 147 always manipulated to what suits Pac advantage thus no Mayweather fight. Floyd will never give Pac an advantage !