Which fighter do you credit the most?

[Rantcatrat]

I like milmas's list. It's well done and thorough. I think you need to throw Jean Pascal on there. I know he allegedly ducked Miranda but he fought Carl Froch in England, a rugged Diaconu twice, and then bested Chad Dawson. And now he is fighting Bernard Hopkins.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan, but I am not quite sure about JuanMa Lopez being on there. We've wanted a Lopez/Gamboa fight for a while and it hasn't come to fruition. If Lopez is on there, shouldn't Gamboa be? Plus Lopen basically avoided fighting Celestino Caballero. I'm not going to call it a "duck," but it was close. And there is talk of Lopez fighting Litzau next? I'm glad Litzau is getting another pay day, but Lopez needs a more challenging fight.

[Kev]

I like milmas's list. It's well done and thorough. I think you need to throw Jean Pascal on there. I know he allegedly ducked Miranda but he fought Carl Froch in England, a rugged Diaconu twice, and then bested Chad Dawson. And now he is fighting Bernard Hopkins.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan, but I am not quite sure about JuanMa Lopez being on there. We've wanted a Lopez/Gamboa fight for a while and it hasn't come to fruition. If Lopez is on there, shouldn't Gamboa be? Plus Lopenz basically avoided fighting Celestino Caballero. I'm not going to call it a "duck," but it was close. And there is talk of Lopez fighting Litzau next? I'm glad Litzau is getting another pay day, but Lopez needs a more challenging fight.

I liked his list too. Certainly I respect all of those fighters and their acomplishments. Were they jump up three weights classes however and fight the best guys in thos classes at catchweights, I'd still think that improved their resume's.

If Carl Froch took on David Haye at 208 lbs and knocked him out, to me that would be the best acomplishment of his career by far. The fact that David had to weight in at 2 lbs less than his fight with Audley would not really matter to me much at all. Froch would be a legend in my eyes.

[milmascaras1]

bilbo,

the big difference is that pacquiao isn't fighting any in their prime fighters at higher weights. imo, fighting and beating opponents at higher weight classes is vastly underrated, unless of course they're in their prime. do you not think marquez could have beaten de la hoya and ricky hatton too? cotto and clottey are different stories because they are much bigger than marquez and you've also got to consider marquez' age as well. while oscar is much bigger than marquez, if he came into a marquez fight in the same condition as he came in against pacquaio, marquez would have shut him out. but you cannot deny that at 37 yo., marquez has had a much better resume (with the exception of oscar's) than all of pacquiao's opponents at the higher weights. the reason why marquez/pacquiao needed to happen was because there was still a lot of questions to be answered after their two fights. most people thought marquez at least won the rematch.

the guys i mentioned, do fight opponents near their primes. sergio martinez has beaten pavlik and williams while those two were in their primes. and about pacquiao's resume, i never said it wasn't impressive. i'm just like any other fan who wants to see him challenged by a younger, in his prime opponent.

[milmascaras1]

oh, and i forgot to put in jean pascal. i was originally going to put him in but i totally forgot. this guy is a beast and i'm beginning to recognize him for what a great fighter he can be. this guy has it all, toughness, chin, endurance and power. the only thing he needs is more wins against top opponents and he could be something very special in the not too distant future.

[Kev]

bilbo,

the big difference is that pacquiao isn't fighting any in their prime fighters at higher weights. imo, fighting and beating opponents at higher weight classes is vastly underrated, unless of course they're in their prime. do you not think marquez could have beaten de la hoya and ricky hatton too? cotto and clottey are different stories because they are much bigger than marquez and you've also got to consider marquez' age as well. while oscar is much bigger than marquez, if he came into a marquez fight in the same condition as he came in against pacquaio, marquez would have shut him out. but you cannot deny that at 37 yo., marquez has had a much better resume (with the exception of oscar's) than all of pacquiao's opponents at the higher weights. the reason why marquez/pacquiao needed to happen was because there was still a lot of questions to be answered after their two fights. most people thought marquez at least won the rematch.

the guys i mentioned, do fight opponents near their primes. sergio martinez has beaten pavlik and williams while those two were in their primes. and about pacquiao's resume, i never said it wasn't impressive. i'm just like any other fan who wants to see him challenged by a younger, in his prime opponent.

Their ages aren't important here. They were the guys at the top. Who aside from Floyd has Manny dodged that was higher rated from junior welter to light middle than Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito etc?

You say he keeps fighting old men, (and only one of them was old) but they were BEST opponents out there. What welterweight are you angry he didn't face?

He has faced Marquez, Hatton, De La Hoya, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito. That is pretty damn comprehensive. Aside from Berto there is nobody at welterweight who you could even conveivably argue is better than any of the guys he has already beat.

Go and have a look at the Ring rankings. Better yet, I'll copy and paste them here.

Champ: Vacant

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Andre Berto
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Shane Mosley
6. Joshua Clottey
7. Jan Zevek
8. Vyacheslav Senchenko
9. Rafael Jackiewicz
10. Timothy Bradley

So of the 9 possible opponents Manny has already beaten Cotto and Clottey and he is likely facing Mosley next. He wants Floyd, but Floyd won't fight him it seems, and he would gladly fight Berto too. All the others are total unknowns apart from Bradley who only moved up in his last fight.

Your argument is ridiculous. Who should he have fought who he didnt?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

bilbo,

the big difference is that pacquiao isn't fighting any in their prime fighters at higher weights. imo, fighting and beating opponents at higher weight classes is vastly underrated, unless of course they're in their prime. do you not think marquez could have beaten de la hoya and ricky hatton too? cotto and clottey are different stories because they are much bigger than marquez and you've also got to consider marquez' age as well. while oscar is much bigger than marquez, if he came into a marquez fight in the same condition as he came in against pacquaio, marquez would have shut him out. but you cannot deny that at 37 yo., marquez has had a much better resume (with the exception of oscar's) than all of pacquiao's opponents at the higher weights. the reason why marquez/pacquiao needed to happen was because there was still a lot of questions to be answered after their two fights. most people thought marquez at least won the rematch.

the guys i mentioned, do fight opponents near their primes. sergio martinez has beaten pavlik and williams while those two were in their primes. and about pacquiao's resume, i never said it wasn't impressive. i'm just like any other fan who wants to see him challenged by a younger, in his prime opponent.

When you say 'most people' how many are you actually talking about? hundreds? thousands? hundred thousands? million perhaps? How many people's opinions were you able to obtain in that regards?

BTW, you gave out an excellent list. From that list, I'd go with Miguel Cotto.