Is Pacman More Popular than de la Hoya Was?

[Julius Rain]

really, the only places it matters where a fighter is popular is in the western world. i'd say the united states, the UK, germany, france, italy etc...

Well you did say Pacquiao couldn't sniff Oscar's jock worldwide and that was a supposed "fact" and so I added the East, and it is considered to be worldwide.

that idiot does two things, backpeddle or contradicts himself.

[:::PSL:::]

Pac made Oscar more popular after he beat the shit out of him.

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

damn, you sound mad cause pacquiao will never be as popular as your God. sorry

[Kev]

PSL,

sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.

I would say Manny already is more popular than Oscar worldwide.

I guarantee he will go down in history as a far more important fighter than Oscar.

He will be remembered like we remember Henry Armstrong, Ray Robinson and Ali.

[:::PSL:::]

PSL,

sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.

Oh boy

Do you even know how many Japanese fighters fought outside of Japan this year? They only recognize WBA and WBC as legitimate international championship belt. Yeah, that's #1 boxing country in asia.

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

lookie here, the japanese have put more money into boxing than all the asian countries put together. they've produced more champions than any other asian country, fact. and isn't it shocking that even though japan doesn't recognize the IBF and WBO titles, they've still produced more countries in asia. how's that for domination! japan currently has better fighters overall than the philippines, thailand and south korea.

[CutMeMick]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

[Kev]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

Mick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.

I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.

What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?

Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!

[Dizaster]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

I think that's it right there...

[generalbulldog]

PSL,

sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.

Oh boy

Do you even know how many Japanese fighters fought outside of Japan this year? They only recognize WBA and WBC as legitimate international championship belt. Yeah, that's #1 boxing country in asia.

They are the no. 1 boxing country in Asia. They have more champs overall than any other country in the region and also has a very long history.

PSL,

sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.

Not yet, but they care enough to have 2 gold medalists in the '08 summer Olympics, and their Super HW won the silver, along with their welterweight representative winning bronze. Boxing in China may be in it's infancy but even the Duva's recognize the potential and have already gotten involved. American boxing promoter Dino Duva brings China to the ring

And why do you even think Arum, King, and yes Oscar himself is interested in the Chinese market? Maybe because it is the no. 2 economy in the world and also because boxing is a major growing sport and has just established the Chinese Boxing Association.Boxing in China To Boom: Nation Hails its 60th Birthday - Boxing News

[UKPH]

@generalbulldog

IMO i guess Thailand has more solid champions than Japan if talking asia in the past 10 or 15 years. well it could be debated.

Yes chinese has potential still too young for the sport no solid history regarding boxing, well they got silver and even Gold, like Audley Harisson had.

[CutMeMick]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

Mick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.

I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.

What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?

Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!

Well ODLH also attended events in Spain, Germany, Mexico and Australia that I can recall.
ODLH was the poster child for boxing. I think Diz hit it dead on with his post and Spicoli sealed the deal.
Pac was catapulted to another bracket after he fought ODLH.

As far as longevity no way. Oscar was spoon fed and in massive spotlight during & straight out of Olympics and every single fight was televised. Manny vs Oscar was about Manny catapulting off the Oscar name into different fame bracket and marketing as much if not more then it was about skill vs skill viable boxer. Manny has hit massive western world stride off it and it's great to see for sport but Oscars on another level long term.

Spot on Spicoli...

[Dizaster]

PSL,

sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.

I don't think he is as popular and well known as Oscar at the moment.. It doesn't mean he NEVER can be... He could still have 4 or 5 fights left and god knows who they could be.... If he beat Mayweather, he'd get a bit more main stream media....
But as ODLH's nickname suggests, he was the Golden Boy of boxing.. He came from the spiritual heart of boxing, Mexico, he was handsome, he released and album, and he was around in the Era where Tyson and Lennox Lewis and some of the other big draw boxers were still fighting at the top.... Boxing didn't have MMA and other combat sports to compete with, so I think boxing in general was more popular and followed and respected back then..

So for Oscar to be at the top of boxing during that time and known as the P4P #1, as well as having mass appeal because of his looks and charisma, that is really hard to top...
But then, Oscar as much as boxing people would like to believe, was never as popular as Tyson....

The fact is, right now, I could talk to some friends of mine who like sport but have never really followed boxing,,, and they will absolutely know Mike Tyson... They mayyyy have heard the name ODLH before but not be hugely familiar with him. They most likely WON'T know Pac, and will have never even heard of a Floyd Mayweather or Roy Jones...

I think it's really only in the last 2 years that Manny Pacquiao has gained a high profile which expands outside boxing circles... Who knows how much that could grow over the rest of his career and beyond...

So I agree DLH was more popular over the majority of the world and people who pay any attention to boxing, and probably still has a more recognized name...

But know one can "KNOW" he'll never be as popular as ODLH... Including you and PSL.... It's a very hard thing to measure.. But I'm from a country that LOVES it's sport, but boxing is far from most sports people's minds,,, so I get a reasonable indication of how far a boxer's popularity reaches when people have heard of a certain fighter and not another...

And from that perspective, Pac isn't quite there yet... Hell, Danny Green is more well known and popular here... But we Australia is included in the world to, which was the original question..

And really who knows what fights he'll be in before his career ends, or drama, or publicity, or whatever, which could expand the Manny Pacquiao brand...