Is Pacman More Popular than de la Hoya Was?

[:::PSL:::]

PSL,

sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.

Oh boy

Do you even know how many Japanese fighters fought outside of Japan this year? They only recognize WBA and WBC as legitimate international championship belt. Yeah, that's #1 boxing country in asia.

[milmascaras1]

PSL,

lookie here, the japanese have put more money into boxing than all the asian countries put together. they've produced more champions than any other asian country, fact. and isn't it shocking that even though japan doesn't recognize the IBF and WBO titles, they've still produced more countries in asia. how's that for domination! japan currently has better fighters overall than the philippines, thailand and south korea.

[CutMeMick]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

[Kev]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

Mick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.

I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.

What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?

Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!

[Gandalf]

I don't think Manny is well known out here at all. In fact I have very rarely met anyone who knows anything about boxing out here and there is no coverage of boxing on the television anymore. Hatton/Pac was the last one I remember and I have had to use the internet to watch a fight ever since. If you were to mention a player in the premier league then everyones head will turn, but you mention Manny Pac and you will likely get a lot of clueless faces. Maybe it's different in other Asian countries, but it is certainly not the case that he is well known here.

They used to show big fights regularly out here so I would imagine that DLH was covered through his prime years and on that basis I would have to assume that DLH was the more popular of the two seeing as he was covered and Manny Pac hasn't been.

Personally, I prefer to watch Manny Pac fight. He is just far more dynamic and interesting to watch. Oscar is technically very good, but doesn't have that superhuman spark about him. A very good fighter, but just not my cup of tea. Having said that Manny Pac has been an aquired taste due to his opponent selection.

[Spicoli]

As far as longevity no way. Oscar was spoon fed and in massive spotlight during & straight out of Olympics and every single fight was televised. Manny vs Oscar was about Manny catapulting off the Oscar name into different fame bracket and marketing as much if not more then it was about skill vs skill viable boxer. Manny has hit massive western world stride off it and it's great to see for sport but Oscars on another level long term.

[Nameless]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

Mick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.

I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.

What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?

Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!

I would tend to agree with that and i wouldn't be surprised of Pacquiao-Mayweather (admitting it happens) could have more PPV than Mayweather-DLH.

[zhubin]

I find it funny that people equate "popularity" to what is accomplished just in the ring. While that certainly may hold true for boxing/sports fans...an even bigger component of what makes an athlete incredibly popular outside of the realm of their particular sport...is how they are marketed. How you are marketed comes down to basically two things aside from your sport specific skill. it comes down to your persona and looks. How easily marketable can an athlete be...can their look/personality SELL things or get people who are normally not interested that particular sport to get excited about the athlete and the products they endorse. There have been just a handful of athletes that have had that tremendous cross over appeal. People like David Beckham and Michael Jordan come immediately to mind. Those are athletes that almost anyone...whether here in the states or in Africa...will instantly recognize. Not only because of their on field accomplishments, but as much for how widely marketed they are (commercials, endorsements, clothing, etc.). In boxing, it is particularly rare to find superstars with that kind of cross over appeal. Oscar and Sugar Ray Leonard (to a lesser extent)...are the boxers in the last two decades that have attained that kind of popularity. Pac certainly is popular among boxing fans and is obviously a supersar in his hometown. But he is nowhere close to being a global superstar. He simply cannot be marketed the same way as someone like Oscar. Not now and probably not ever.

[:::PSL:::]

Pacquiao will have to wear thong and fishnet stockings to match Oscar's popularity.

[Kev]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

Mick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.

I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.

What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?

Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!

I would tend to agree with that and i wouldn't be surprised of Pacquiao-Mayweather (admitting it happens) could have more PPV than Mayweather-DLH.

fuck, Nameless is agreeing with me...I change my mind

[Nameless]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

Mick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.

I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.

What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?

Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!

I would tend to agree with that and i wouldn't be surprised of Pacquiao-Mayweather (admitting it happens) could have more PPV than Mayweather-DLH.

fuck, Nameless is agreeing with me...I change my mind

Actually Bilbo, beside from your deep religious belief (so associated partly with politics as it's associated with Israel), we've not been that far on the rest of the topics, I even remember you and I agreeing that size should be considered among the set of "skills" for the HW and agreeing a lot on the Pac-Mayweather issue. Seems like I can't fit your "arch-nemesis" shoes

[NUCLEAR BULL]

oscars popularity was something else when he was at his prime......de la hoya was the biggest draw in boxing at his peak....even when passed his best he headlined the biggest ppv event when he fought mayweather ( did you guys think those buys where for mayweather to watch him run all night ) pacmans great tho he's become the biggest name in the sport right now

[Julius Rain]

I want to apologize to jdonaher1.

We have turn your thread to shit.

[:::PSL:::]

It's really beginning to look a lot like christmas.

[Dizaster]

Sorry but no...

You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?

Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.

ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.

I think that's it right there...