Hopkins vs. Pascal Fight Thread

[Kev]

I'm okay with the draw.

But I must say Pascal is overrated. Hes got average boxing skills.

is he really rated highly outside of canada?

and mike ortega >>> steve smoger

Some US writers got (or had) him as 2010 fighter of the year front runner.

Yeah Pascal was held in very high regard imo. Diaconu was until he ran into Pascal considered the biggest threat at 175, and Dawson was tipped to be a future p4p star. Floyd Mayweather described Dawson as the most gifted fighter in the sport after himself.

Pascal is a very good fighter. I just think Hopkins is an all time great, no question.

[ICB]

Yes it was a robbery, it wasn't wide mathematically but that doesn't mean it wasn't a robbery. Because the rounds were very easy to score, there were no swing rounds. B-hop won 8 rounds, Jean Pascal won 4 rounds with 2 knockdown's, one of them being disputed according to some on here.

[CFH]

Yes it was a robbery, it wasn't wide mathematically but that doesn't mean it wasn't a robbery. Because the rounds were very easy to score, there were no swing rounds. B-hop won 8 rounds, Jean Pascal won 4 rounds with 2 knockdown's, one of them being disputed according to some on here.

There were a couple of close rounds, but Hopkins deserved the win. I wouldn't call it a robbery though.

[ICB]

Yes it was a robbery, it wasn't wide mathematically but that doesn't mean it wasn't a robbery. Because the rounds were very easy to score, there were no swing rounds. B-hop won 8 rounds, Jean Pascal won 4 rounds with 2 knockdown's, one of them being disputed according to some on here.

There were a couple of close rounds, but Hopkins deserved the win. I wouldn't call it a robbery though.

Really bro ? because i didn't see any close rounds after the 4th round. Jean Pascal went on the backfoot doing nothing for 7 rounds. B-Hop was coming forward landing crisp shots to the body and head, even making Jean Pascal's legs buckle a few times.

The only round which was closish was the 12th round, but still Jean Pascal didn't win that round. And it was still a clear B-Hop round, although Jean Pascal made it more competitive than the other 7 rounds he still lost the round.

[CFH]

Yes it was a robbery, it wasn't wide mathematically but that doesn't mean it wasn't a robbery. Because the rounds were very easy to score, there were no swing rounds. B-hop won 8 rounds, Jean Pascal won 4 rounds with 2 knockdown's, one of them being disputed according to some on here.

There were a couple of close rounds, but Hopkins deserved the win. I wouldn't call it a robbery though.

Really bro ? because i didn't see any close rounds after the 4th round. Jean Pascal went on the backfoot doing nothing for 7 rounds. B-Hop was coming forward landing crisp shots to the body and head, even making Jean Pascal's legs buckle a few times.

The only round which was closish was the 12th round, but still Jean Pascal didn't win that round. And it was still a clear B-Hop round, although Jean Pascal made it more competitive than the other 7 rounds he still lost the round.

I didn't give Pascal a round after the 3rd, but there were a couple of ccasions where I felt that I could understand a judge scoring the round for Pascal.

[Gandalf]

It was a great performance from Hopkins, but Pascal was such a let down. He had no output from about the 5th onwards. It was as though all that dancing and occasional combination punching had him spent with most of the fight still to go. He had Hopkins in a position noone else has ever had him and this was an old Hopkins with a seemingly fragile ability to take flush shots and a vulnerability in defence. All Pascal had to do was outwork the old man for a few of those rounds, but no output whatsover.

Anyway, full credit to Hopkins. He was in a hole after 4 and was looking in serious trouble, but he kept his cool didn't rough it up too much and worked the rounds by outworking his oppponent. Hopkins looked like the real Jesus as compared with the current son of god tonight. No need for blatant cheating tonight. Props to Hopkins for that, I was expecting another stinkfest, but it wasn't really the case at all.

[ICB]

It was a great performance from Hopkins, but Pascal was such a let down. He had no output from about the 5th onwards. It was as though all that dancing and occasional combination punching had him spent with most of the fight still to go. He had Hopkins in a position noone else has ever had him and this was an old Hopkins with a seemingly fragile ability to take flush shots and a vulnerability in defence. All Pascal had to do was outwork the old man for a few of those rounds, but no output whatsover.

Anyway, full credit to Hopkins. He was in a hole after 4 and was looking in serious trouble, but he kept his cool didn't rough it up too much and worked the rounds by outworking his oppponent. Hopkins looked like the real Jesus as compared with the current son of god tonight. No need for blatant cheating tonight. Props to Hopkins for that, I was expecting another stinkfest, but it wasn't really the case at all.

B-Hop was hurt worse vs Segundo Mercado, and amazingly he was dropped twice in that fight aswell, and managed to earn a draw. It was closer than the Jean Pascal fight, but very similar scoring wise strangely.

[ICB]

I know this is slightly off topic but after remembering that fight again, i thought i'd pull out my old scorecard i done for that fight ages ago.


1 Hopkins 10-9
2 Hopkins 10-9
3 Hopkins 10-9
4 Mercado 10-9
5 Mercado 10-8
6 Hopkins 10-9
7 Mercado 10-8
8 Mercado 10-9
9 Even 10-10
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Hopkins 10-9
12 Hopkins 10-9

114-113 Bernard Hopkins.

[Mar]

Not sure how anyone had pascal winning. But a decent fight at least.

[Gandalf]

It was a great performance from Hopkins, but Pascal was such a let down. He had no output from about the 5th onwards. It was as though all that dancing and occasional combination punching had him spent with most of the fight still to go. He had Hopkins in a position noone else has ever had him and this was an old Hopkins with a seemingly fragile ability to take flush shots and a vulnerability in defence. All Pascal had to do was outwork the old man for a few of those rounds, but no output whatsover.

Anyway, full credit to Hopkins. He was in a hole after 4 and was looking in serious trouble, but he kept his cool didn't rough it up too much and worked the rounds by outworking his oppponent. Hopkins looked like the real Jesus as compared with the current son of god tonight. No need for blatant cheating tonight. Props to Hopkins for that, I was expecting another stinkfest, but it wasn't really the case at all.

B-Hop was hurt worse vs Segundo Mercado, and amazingly he was dropped twice in that fight aswell, and managed to earn a draw. It was closer than the Jean Pascal fight, but very similar scoring wise strangely.

Good call, forgot all about that one.

[killersheep]

The biggest travesty in all of this is the Diamond belt is still vacant.

[ono]

I had Hopkins by two, and i also scored a couple of 10-10 rounds which could have easily gone to Hopkins. Can definitely see how some had it Hopkins by 4.

Hopkins was probably taking the first round aswell before the knockdown, which i again don't think was legit.

[generalbulldog]

Mathematically it's not a robbery, but if one was to count the numbers of rounds won then B-Hop was robbed in that regards. I had it 9-3 in favor of the old man. When you win 9 rounds or more and it's called a draw, then yes it is a robbery.

I haven't seen a robbery as egregious as this since the Chavez-Whittaker fight where I had Whitaker winning 10 out of 12 rounds. Just like that fight and this fight the decision was a farce.

[Cressa121]

Mathematically it's not a robbery, but if one was to count the numbers of rounds won then B-Hop was robbed in that regards. I had it 9-3 in favor of the old man. When you win 9 rounds or more and it's called a draw, then yes it is a robbery.

I haven't seen a robbery as egregious as this since the Chavez-Whittaker fight where I had Whitaker winning 10 out of 12 rounds. Just like that fight and this fight the decision was a farce.

Thomas Hauser pretty much summed it up for me. He said:

"A champion shouldn't retain his title when he wins 3 of 12 rounds in a title fight. But that's the gift 2 judges bestowed upon Jean Pascal in Quebec City on Saturday night".

The scores were always going to be close because of the knockdowns, but I thought Hopkins won 8 or 9 rounds and should have gotten the nod. The fact that he won so many of the rounds and didn't get the decision is why people will shout robbery because IMO it was a very clear win and its a bit farcical that he won so many rounds and wasn't given the decision

[Spicoli]

Woke up even more po'd then lastnight. Generalbulldog totally agree with you on rounds. Effective punching and workrate won this for Hopkins and he got screwed. He sounded put off about sport in interview and I can't blame hit one bit. This isn't a math course, frankly even rounds should be tossed and totally discouraged. Basically saying " I have no fooking clue"

Think long and hard about having three complete strangers determining your future and fate and knowing that there is not a soul they have to answer to. Absolutely zero accountability and judges slink off into ananimity only to be remembered by weary fans, a few pundits and the fighters they sit in judgement of. Who in the he'll judges the judges! Hopkins is a legend. Pascal will go down as a guy who can say he was gifted a draw with him. Merry Christmas "champion" ...and I can't scroll down to find the jerk off smiley, but you get the picture!