B-Hop Vs Jean Pascal Spoilers.

[ICB]

I also had Hopkins winning every round after the 3rd. I also had Hopkins winning the 1st very clearly until he was dropped by the hit behind the head. If that hadn't occurred Hopkins would have won 10 out of 12 rounds. Overall B-Hop won 9 out of 12 clearly.

So no way was this fight close, only close because of the scoring system of boxing. When 1 guy gets outboxed for 9 out of 12 rounds, no way is that close. From punch output to punch landed to ring generalship and to sheer dominance and will, it was 1 sided in favor of Hopkins.

Totally agree that's the reason i had JMM winning vs Manny Pacquiao in there 1st fight. Because despite the bad start he still won 8 rounds clearly vs Manny Pacquiao, and i don't see how you cannot win a fight winning almost 3 quarters of the 12 rounds, and in B-Hop's case he actually did.

I agree with what you say, but judges arn't able to have an 'in hindsight' retrospective look back over the whole fight. They score each round idependently and total up the scores.
Maybe the scoring system isn't perfect but it's probably the best method we have. In theory knocking an opponent to the floor twice should count more than winning a round by points although again it's hard to score in practice, some knockouts are flash knockdowns, sometimes a fight can get battered without going down.

There are a lot of vagaries in boxing scoring, just like there are in any judging, or voting systems.

Hopefully they will order a rematch, and it will take place in America this time. Not sure pascal will want it much though. He looked a mentally beaten man by the end.

Massively impressive performance by Hopkins to come back the way he did.

I think the worse thing is that the 1st knockdown, wasn't even a legit knockdown. Yet the ref ruled a very similar incident a slip in the 5th round, and B-Hop may of got credited with a knockdown in the 11th round if it was in the USA.

[armin]

Daniel Van de "im a f***wad" Viele is a freakin moron, at least he's being called out on his blindness for once. Usually judges get to come up with whatever freakin score they like and its fine, judges should be able to justify their scorecards and I'd like to see him justify giving the 10th to pascal.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

the time has come for judges to pay a price for bad scoring.....esp those who keep doing it, get rid of them and enforce to the rest that if you cause a major injustice that you'll be investicated for the crime, huge fines, lifetime ban's and threat of prison.....people risk there life when they fight, what right has a moron got to play chicken with anothers life just because he's a fan of the other boxer so scores it that way..............ok i'm going to far with the punishments but i'm sure you get my point....to many of these judges get away with it and to top it of you see them at another world titile fight a few weeks later

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Its ridiculous to suggest changing the rules in order to devalue flash knockdowns. If you are punched and rendered unable to stand and/or defend yourself, it should be counted against you in a big way. I can undertand why some people are annoyed at how things ended but it is what it is. This is Boxing, not Rugby.

Can I just add that those body shots Bernard was sneaking home where pure class. The best I've seen for a long time.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i think in fights where there have been early knockdowns the scoring system can be changed slightly to give the fighter suffering the knockdown a chance to recover the point lost.......like lastnight....after the 3rd round if hopkins could comeback within the next 6mins to take control of the fight with effective punching and take control of centre ring then there should be a 11-9 round so as to prove it was a flash knockdown......to many guys are given to big a lead from a nothing knockdown..........there has to be a window for a fighter to say " look it was a balance shot but i've comeback to show i wasnt hurt, i've straight away pressed home my advange in the ring to the point the other fighters on the run "

[Kev]

i think in fights where there have been early knockdowns the scoring system can be changed slightly to give the fighter suffering the knockdown a chance to recover the point lost.......like lastnight....after the 3rd round if hopkins could comeback within the next 6mins to take control of the fight with effective punching and take control of centre ring then there should be a 11-9 round so as to prove it was a flash knockdown......to many guys are given to big a lead from a nothing knockdown..........there has to be a window for a fighter to say " look it was a balance shot but i've comeback to show i wasnt hurt, i've straight away pressed home my advange in the ring to the point the other fighters on the run "

An 11-9 round, that's nuts

There is already a perfectly fine system in place. If the judges think the knockout wasn't harmful and that that the guy who was knocked down they can actually decided to only rule it a 10-9 round, as indeed did one of the judges last night.

And if a fighter is so dominating a round without knocking down his opponent he can get a 10-8 round without a knockdown, as did Maidana against Khan last weekend.

The current system is fine.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i think in fights where there have been early knockdowns the scoring system can be changed slightly to give the fighter suffering the knockdown a chance to recover the point lost.......like lastnight....after the 3rd round if hopkins could comeback within the next 6mins to take control of the fight with effective punching and take control of centre ring then there should be a 11-9 round so as to prove it was a flash knockdown......to many guys are given to big a lead from a nothing knockdown..........there has to be a window for a fighter to say " look it was a balance shot but i've comeback to show i wasnt hurt, i've straight away pressed home my advange in the ring to the point the other fighters on the run "

An 11-9 round, that's nuts

There is already a perfectly fine system in place. If the judges think the knockout wasn't harmful and that that the guy who was knocked down they can actually decided to only rule it a 10-9 round, as indeed did one of the judges last night.

And if a fighter is so dominating a round without knocking down his opponent he can get a 10-8 round without a knockdown, as did Maidana against Khan last weekend.

The current system is fine.

hahaha very good mate, i was messing about. the current system is the best......all we need is honest judges who know what boxing is about...to many times everyone see's who won the fight but the people payed, sitting in the best seats seem to get it totally wrong, there has to be some kind of review system something that lets these poeple killing the sport know that anything less then good work will not be excepted

[Fenster]

Daniel Van de "im a f***wad" Viele is a freakin moron, at least he's being called out on his blindness for once. Usually judges get to come up with whatever freakin score they like and its fine, judges should be able to justify their scorecards and I'd like to see him justify giving the 10th to pascal.

He didn't give the 10th to Pascal he scored it 10-10. He also scored the first round 10-9 to Pascal so clearly credited Hopkins for winning the round barring the knockdown.

Hopkins is lucky Van De Wiele helped him get the draw.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

Daniel Van de "im a f***wad" Viele is a freakin moron, at least he's being called out on his blindness for once. Usually judges get to come up with whatever freakin score they like and its fine, judges should be able to justify their scorecards and I'd like to see him justify giving the 10th to pascal.

He didn't give the 10th to Pascal he scored it 10-10. He also scored the first round 10-9 to Pascal so clearly credited Hopkins for winning the round barring the knockdown.

Hopkins is lucky Van De Wiele helped him get the draw.

hahahaha you crack me up fenster.........b-hop won....think of it like this...in a rugby match a team scored 2 early trys...total 14points...the other team gets 6 conversions each being 3 points...total 18points....who wins the game

[Fenster]

Daniel Van de "im a f***wad" Viele is a freakin moron, at least he's being called out on his blindness for once. Usually judges get to come up with whatever freakin score they like and its fine, judges should be able to justify their scorecards and I'd like to see him justify giving the 10th to pascal.

He didn't give the 10th to Pascal he scored it 10-10. He also scored the first round 10-9 to Pascal so clearly credited Hopkins for winning the round barring the knockdown.

Hopkins is lucky Van De Wiele helped him get the draw.

hahahaha you crack me up fenster.........b-hop won....think of it like this...in a rugby match a team scored 2 early trys...total 14points...the other team gets 6 conversions each being 3 points...total 18points....who wins the game

I never said Hopkins didn't win. I'm merely pointing out that the "blind, corrupt, incompetent" judge actually SAVED Hopkins by scoring the 1st round 10-9. I've not seen one single fan score the 1st round anything other than 10-8 for Pascal.

You can't have it both ways. The ref is a cunt.. oh apart from the bit where he clearly favoured Hopkins

[J_C]

This isnt a robbery. Pascal winning would have been a robbery but he didnt. I had it 7-5 in rounds to Bhop so 113-113. Both knockdowns were legitimate imo but even if you dispute that, they were called knockdowns so you have to count them in your scoring.

I scored rounds 5 and 12 for Pascal because I thought he landed the harder more damaging punches in those rounds. Both those rounds were very close and could go either way, I happened to lean to Pascal. I think 113-113, 114-112 BHop and 115-111 Bhop are all fair scores.

[The Fightfan]

It seems like the contested round is round 10.

Boxing - Schaefer demands rematch


Apparently the Belgium judge gave the 10th round even when it was clearly a Hopkins round. Golden Boy saying they will sue if Pascal tries to dodge a rematch.........

After watching it again it was a bit closer than I originally thought. I could possibly see a 10-10 round. Hopkins starting to clearly land the counter right but he also started taking some punches at the end of the round and didn't through a single meaningful punch in the last minute or so. Pascal landed a solid uppercut early and a good left hook-right hand to end the round.


[QUOTE=armin;929607]Daniel Van de "im a f***wad" Viele is a freakin moron, at least he's being called out on his blindness for once. Usually judges get to come up with whatever freakin score they like and its fine, judges should be able to justify their scorecards and I'd like to see him justify giving the 10th to pascal.

I agree 100 percent. I think us the fans should be entitled to look at the total scoresheet after the end of the fight. Not a week later when it is shown on a replay.



What an excellent fight that was for the 45 year old man. I have not been a big fan of B-Hop as of late but he should have gotten the victory last night. My biggest beef with the score's in the fight game are the knockdown's. B-Hop was finding his rythym in the third round then bam he get's knocked down. Immediate loss of a point and loss of the round. I think this is becoming a bit to common nowadays. If this was the same scoring system they used in the seventies Earnie Shavers would have about five or six more wins by getting so far ahead on the scorecards. My belief is the judges should start taking into consideration of who was winning the round and not exclude the fighter who was knocked down into lossing the round so easily. Knockdowns should not be an immediate point deduction especially with a flash or questionable knockdown like there was last night in the first round. B-Hop should have been awarded the victory but what can I say that's boxing.

And what a great job that referee did last night he called it the way he seen it in the first round and you can't argue with that. He let the fighter's fight on the inside didn't step in every time an arm was tied up.I would like to see this guy ref a bit more.