Adam Booth Says Wlad is refusing to sign a 50/50 split fight with Haye.

[Balboa]

A valid and as yet unthought of question was posted on page 1.

Why ARENT Wlad and Vitali each other's mandatories? I've never even thought of that.

[generalbulldog]

If the fight does happen and if Wlad does beat Haye, Haye's countrymen will come up with every excuse in the book and how Wlad cheated. Fact.


See the Hatton/Mayweather and Hatton/Pacquiao fights. They couldn't even accept that the better fighter and talent won. It was every excuse in the book used. So I expect the same thing here.

[El Kabong]

A valid and as yet unthought of question was posted on page 1.

Why ARENT Wlad and Vitali each other's mandatories? I've never even thought of that.

Because (all due respect) its a dumb fucking idea. They won't fight each other and everyone that wants that fight is a complete fucking moron. Never has this been asked of ANY other boxing family....its fucking stupid, stop bringing it up.

[Nameless]

Some more news on this issue, looks like Haye is really pushing for this, he is willing to take a £2m paycut to secure the fight !!

What excuse will the Klits NOW come up with i wonder

Haye 'to take £2m pay cut' to secure Klitschko fight - Yahoo! Eurosport

Have you ever seen the K taking excuses not to fight Haye? I'Ve seen this the opposite direction 2 times back to back.

it was never clear who was making the excuses, haye made himself look a dick by the way he kept going on about it and everyone seemed to blame him

adam booths offer to negotiate everything on the TV kind of makes me think haye may not have been blowing all the hot air

the klits get everything their own way in all other fight negotiations, why is it hard to believe that they wanted it all their own way when talking to hayemaker?

THe K offered him 2 times, he signed 2 times and backed off under shady excuses, he even refused a 50-50 offer for a long time stating he was the one bringing the dough on the table and now he comes im trumpeting that the K have no excuses to refuse the 50-50 when HE was the one refusing it the first time? A bit hard to believe the guy one second, really.

[Cressa121]

I highly doubt Wlad is the one refusing a 50/50 split when that's what he apparently offered last time. There's so much bullshit surrounding this fight I won't believe anything until the contracts are signed and its all been announced. I'm not sure how much Haye wants it tbh, but he doesn't seem to have anywhere else to go without looking like a complete dick - again. He'll lose any remaining credibility if he passes on the K's and takes on another inferior opponent.

[ono]

If the fight does happen and if Wlad does beat Haye, Haye's countrymen will come up with every excuse in the book and how Wlad cheated. Fact.


See the Hatton/Mayweather and Hatton/Pacquiao fights. They couldn't even accept that the better fighter and talent won. It was every excuse in the book used. So I expect the same thing here.

I disagree with that. All that was said about the Mayweather fight was that Cortez was a disgrace and Mayweather got away with an awful lot of fouls - use of the forearm, ducking below the waist etc...

Hardly anybody believed the result would have been any different had Hatton have been given a fairer shake anyway.

As for the Hatton - Pacquiao fight, i again fail to see where you are coming from. Most people seems to be in agreement that Hatton's gameplan, or lack of one, was a one of the many factors of his downfall. Don't remember many thinking Pacquiao cheated.

I think you have made the mistake of thinking all Brits unconditionally love all British fighters. As a Brit i would take great pleasure in seeing David Haye put on his arse.

[generalbulldog]

If the fight does happen and if Wlad does beat Haye, Haye's countrymen will come up with every excuse in the book and how Wlad cheated. Fact.


See the Hatton/Mayweather and Hatton/Pacquiao fights. They couldn't even accept that the better fighter and talent won. It was every excuse in the book used. So I expect the same thing here.

I disagree with that. All that was said about the Mayweather fight was that Cortez was a disgrace and Mayweather got away with an awful lot of fouls - use of the forearm, ducking below the waist etc...

Hardly anybody believed the result would have been any different had Hatton have been given a fairer shake anyway.

As for the Hatton - Pacquiao fight, i again fail to see where you are coming from. Most people seems to be in agreement that Hatton's gameplan, or lack of one, was a one of the many factors of his downfall. Don't remember many thinking Pacquiao cheated.

I think you have made the mistake of thinking all Brits unconditionally love all British fighters. As a Brit i would take great pleasure in seeing David Haye put on his arse.

I shouldn't have said all Brits, because there are great posters here such as Skel and even Hattonthehomo along with a few others, but the excuse used by many of Hatton's countrymen are that Joe Cortez was the reason why Hatton lost and Mayweather "cheated" along with using elbows or something like that. Then the Hatton/Pacquiao fight was that Pacquiao "cheated" by weight draining Hatton, although the fight wasn't a catchweight but at the 140 pound limit where Hatton was king, then the excuse it was Pacquiao was on drugs.

Excuses, excuses, and excuses.

[skel1983]

Eric backing a British fighter whatever next?

Seems like Wlad has till Jan 11th or he has to fight Chisora s about time he accepted and got it on, he will destroy Haye I am sorry to say, I hope Haye does the biz but I cant see it at all. Wladtko 6/7 th round maybe earlier.

[El Kabong]

I shouldn't have said all Brits, because there are great posters here such as Skel and even Hattonthehomo along with a few others, but the excuse used by many of Hatton's countrymen are that Joe Cortez was the reason why Hatton lost and Mayweather "cheated" along with using elbows or something like that. Then the Hatton/Pacquiao fight was that Pacquiao "cheated" by weight draining Hatton, although the fight wasn't a catchweight but at the 140 pound limit where Hatton was king, then the excuse it was Pacquiao was on drugs.

Excuses, excuses, and excuses.

Well to be honest the fans of the WBA title holder already have a list of excuses when it comes to Wladimir and oddly enough if they are really that bothered by Wlad holding (which he really hasn't done all that much of since the first Sam Peter fight) then Joe Cortez would be the referee they would want in the ring as the main argument with him in the Hatton-Mayweather fight wasn't that he allowed Floyd to use his elbows (that's revisionist history from ono and furthermore it should be expected from the style Floyd uses, meaning Hatton should have trained for it) it was that Cortez broke up the clinches too quickly and Hatton never got to maul Floyd like he mauled Kostya Tszyu.

That being said who would you guys be satisfied with as ref of this fight (should it actually happen this time)?

[TigerFan]

Read this the other day...thought I share it

Scoop’s Theory: The Secret Plans Of David Haye? | BoxingInsider.com

[Cressa121]

I shouldn't have said all Brits, because there are great posters here such as Skel and even Hattonthehomo along with a few others, but the excuse used by many of Hatton's countrymen are that Joe Cortez was the reason why Hatton lost and Mayweather "cheated" along with using elbows or something like that. Then the Hatton/Pacquiao fight was that Pacquiao "cheated" by weight draining Hatton, although the fight wasn't a catchweight but at the 140 pound limit where Hatton was king, then the excuse it was Pacquiao was on drugs.

Excuses, excuses, and excuses.

Well to be honest the fans of the WBA title holder already have a list of excuses when it comes to Wladimir and oddly enough if they are really that bothered by Wlad holding (which he really hasn't done all that much of since the first Sam Peter fight) then Joe Cortez would be the referee they would want in the ring as the main argument with him in the Hatton-Mayweather fight wasn't that he allowed Floyd to use his elbows (that's revisionist history from ono and furthermore it should be expected from the style Floyd uses, meaning Hatton should have trained for it) it was that Cortez broke up the clinches too quickly and Hatton never got to maul Floyd like he mauled Kostya Tszyu.

That being said who would you guys be satisfied with as ref of this fight (should it actually happen this time)?

Regardless of who the ref is I can't see it changing the outcome of a Wlad KO. I can't see there being a great deal of holding either, but if there was and Cortez were in charge than that would only be beneficial to Haye. I don't care either way, IMO Haye is still going to take a beating and get stopped, and any excuses aren't going to wash when the end result is Haye out cold on the canvas.

[superheavyrhun]

Well to be honest the fans of the WBA title holder already have a list of excuses when it comes to Wladimir and oddly enough if they are really that bothered by Wlad holding (which he really hasn't done all that much of since the first Sam Peter fight) then Joe Cortez would be the referee they would want in the ring as the main argument with him in the Hatton-Mayweather fight wasn't that he allowed Floyd to use his elbows (that's revisionist history from ono and furthermore it should be expected from the style Floyd uses, meaning Hatton should have trained for it) it was that Cortez broke up the clinches too quickly and Hatton never got to maul Floyd like he mauled Kostya Tszyu.

That being said who would you guys be satisfied with as ref of this fight (should it actually happen this time)?

In fairness, Wlad hasn't really been in a serious fight where he hasn't been on a different level to his opponent since he got rattled in the first Peter fight, which really shows the dominance of the Klitschko's over recent years.

The hope is that Haye can get past the ramrod jab and start to rattle Wlad a bit and make it competitive, but I don't see the fight being close enough to need excuses, it's either a Wlad points win or Haye KO.

I just hope that the penpushers on both sides get the details out of the way and get them in the ring together.

[skel1983]

Well to be honest the fans of the WBA title holder already have a list of excuses when it comes to Wladimir and oddly enough if they are really that bothered by Wlad holding (which he really hasn't done all that much of since the first Sam Peter fight) then Joe Cortez would be the referee they would want in the ring as the main argument with him in the Hatton-Mayweather fight wasn't that he allowed Floyd to use his elbows (that's revisionist history from ono and furthermore it should be expected from the style Floyd uses, meaning Hatton should have trained for it) it was that Cortez broke up the clinches too quickly and Hatton never got to maul Floyd like he mauled Kostya Tszyu.

That being said who would you guys be satisfied with as ref of this fight (should it actually happen this time)?

In fairness, Wlad hasn't really been in a serious fight where he hasn't been on a different level to his opponent since he got rattled in the first Peter fight, which really shows the dominance of the Klitschko's over recent years.

The hope is that Haye can get past the ramrod jab and start to rattle Wlad a bit and make it competitive, but I don't see the fight being close enough to need excuses, it's either a Wlad points win or Haye KO.

I just hope that the penpushers on both sides get the details out of the way and get them in the ring together.

That is a bit unfair to be honest mate Haye is probably the best opponent he has faced in some time but Wlad has fought some decent fighters such as Chambers who he knocked clean out, Chambers for me would beatthe majority of the top ten.

[superheavyrhun]

In fairness, Wlad hasn't really been in a serious fight where he hasn't been on a different level to his opponent since he got rattled in the first Peter fight, which really shows the dominance of the Klitschko's over recent years.

The hope is that Haye can get past the ramrod jab and start to rattle Wlad a bit and make it competitive, but I don't see the fight being close enough to need excuses, it's either a Wlad points win or Haye KO.

I just hope that the penpushers on both sides get the details out of the way and get them in the ring together.

That is a bit unfair to be honest mate Haye is probably the best opponent he has faced in some time but Wlad has fought some decent fighters such as Chambers who he knocked clean out, Chambers for me would beatthe majority of the top ten.

Well he's not faced Haye yet, and what I was getting at was that Wlad has pretty much dominated everyone in front of him since Peter #1. Chambers may beat the majority of the top ten, but he didn't come close to Wlad.

[skel1983]

In fairness, Wlad hasn't really been in a serious fight where he hasn't been on a different level to his opponent since he got rattled in the first Peter fight, which really shows the dominance of the Klitschko's over recent years.

The hope is that Haye can get past the ramrod jab and start to rattle Wlad a bit and make it competitive, but I don't see the fight being close enough to need excuses, it's either a Wlad points win or Haye KO.

I just hope that the penpushers on both sides get the details out of the way and get them in the ring together.

That is a bit unfair to be honest mate Haye is probably the best opponent he has faced in some time but Wlad has fought some decent fighters such as Chambers who he knocked clean out, Chambers for me would beatthe majority of the top ten.

Well he's not faced Haye yet, and what I was getting at was that Wlad has pretty much dominated everyone in front of him since Peter #1. Chambers may beat the majority of the top ten, but he didn't come close to Wlad.

For me that shows ho much he has improved with Steward, I don't think Haye has a chance to be honest and I see ths fight as one sided as the hambers fight.