Does Pacquiao deserve all the hate???

[porkypara]

No.

The man has got a lot of people talking about boxing,always in exciting fights,wants to fight the best.

Why would anybody hate him

[Mattyhitman]

[Gandalf]

Pacquaio is a great fighter, I have no qualms in saying that. He is exciting to watch and brings a lot of excitement to his fights. However, having said that, I do have some issues, but like someone mentioned before that is largely to do with his team. There was no good reason to call Cotto down to a CW, there was no justification for giving Margarito a big fight and there is widespread disdain for choosing to fight Mosley at this point in Mosley's career. We can all point the finger at Roach and Arum, but at the end of the day it is Manny choosing to get in the ring with these people.

We cannot just give unreserved praise to a fighter and it is certainly not hateful to formulate constructive criticism when it is called for.

[KananKrus]

For every Pac hater is a loser! An unsportsmanlike loser!

[Kev]

Pacquaio is a great fighter, I have no qualms in saying that. He is exciting to watch and brings a lot of excitement to his fights. However, having said that, I do have some issues, but like someone mentioned before that is largely to do with his team. There was no good reason to call Cotto down to a CW, there was no justification for giving Margarito a big fight and there is widespread disdain for choosing to fight Mosley at this point in Mosley's career. We can all point the finger at Roach and Arum, but at the end of the day it is Manny choosing to get in the ring with these people.

We cannot just give unreserved praise to a fighter and it is certainly not hateful to formulate constructive criticism when it is called for.

It's not widespread disdain. It's a few criticisms from within the hardcore boxing fan community. The reason Manny has selected Mosley is because it is a fight that the widespread boxing fanbase want to see.

[Hornfinger]

He doesn't get anywhere near the amount of hate he should.

[Gandalf]

Pacquaio is a great fighter, I have no qualms in saying that. He is exciting to watch and brings a lot of excitement to his fights. However, having said that, I do have some issues, but like someone mentioned before that is largely to do with his team. There was no good reason to call Cotto down to a CW, there was no justification for giving Margarito a big fight and there is widespread disdain for choosing to fight Mosley at this point in Mosley's career. We can all point the finger at Roach and Arum, but at the end of the day it is Manny choosing to get in the ring with these people.

We cannot just give unreserved praise to a fighter and it is certainly not hateful to formulate constructive criticism when it is called for.

It's not widespread disdain. It's a few criticisms from within the hardcore boxing fan community. The reason Manny has selected Mosley is because it is a fight that the widespread boxing fanbase want to see.

Every forum that I have read since the fight was made is FULL of people who are repulsed by the prospect of this fight. There are a minority of voices saying that they think the fight is acceptable, but that is it. This is the only gauge of popular opinion that we have.

There is no evidence to suggest that Pacquiao-Mosley is being demanded by the public at this stage. Two years ago there was, but after Mosley has been hammered by Mayweather and laboured his way through 12 rounds against Mora for the draw? Nah, the fight will sell on Pacs current name and the fact that Mosley many years ago was an excellent fighter.

There are better fights and bigger challenges than this and everbody knows it. Were fight fans polled on who they wanted to see Manny fight next? Was this poll secretly given to the general public? Get real, it has been made simply because Mosley went rogue and Arum couldn't turn down the prospect of an easily negotiated fight against an old legend. Easy money in the pocket with a minimal level of risk involvement.

It has next to nothing to do with what the typical boxing fan wants nor expects.

[ElTerribleMorales]

hate, no

but he does deserve criticism for choosing to fight Mosley of all people, especially when there were more challenging opponents than Mosley

[KananKrus]

hate, no

but he does deserve criticism for choosing to fight Mosley of all people, especially when there were more challenging opponents than Mosley

Really? I'm sure Pac's so thrilled that YOU don't hate him, most especially since your "offensive" sig running for over a thousand years now, "mislead" him into thinking otherwise. LOL!

[Kev]

Pacquaio is a great fighter, I have no qualms in saying that. He is exciting to watch and brings a lot of excitement to his fights. However, having said that, I do have some issues, but like someone mentioned before that is largely to do with his team. There was no good reason to call Cotto down to a CW, there was no justification for giving Margarito a big fight and there is widespread disdain for choosing to fight Mosley at this point in Mosley's career. We can all point the finger at Roach and Arum, but at the end of the day it is Manny choosing to get in the ring with these people.

We cannot just give unreserved praise to a fighter and it is certainly not hateful to formulate constructive criticism when it is called for.

It's not widespread disdain. It's a few criticisms from within the hardcore boxing fan community. The reason Manny has selected Mosley is because it is a fight that the widespread boxing fanbase want to see.

Every forum that I have read since the fight was made is FULL of people who are repulsed by the prospect of this fight. There are a minority of voices saying that they think the fight is acceptable, but that is it. This is the only gauge of popular opinion that we have.

There is no evidence to suggest that Pacquiao-Mosley is being demanded by the public at this stage. Two years ago there was, but after Mosley has been hammered by Mayweather and laboured his way through 12 rounds against Mora for the draw? Nah, the fight will sell on Pacs current name and the fact that Mosley many years ago was an excellent fighter.

There are better fights and bigger challenges than this and everbody knows it. Were fight fans polled on who they wanted to see Manny fight next? Was this poll secretly given to the general public? Get real, it has been made simply because Mosley went rogue and Arum couldn't turn down the prospect of an easily negotiated fight against an old legend. Easy money in the pocket with a minimal level of risk involvement.

It has next to nothing to do with what the typical boxing fan wants nor expects.

That's forums mate. That's not widespread. Only about 1% of sporting fans are actually sad enough to be posting members of forums.

The fight will likely do over 1 million PPV buys making it one of the most popular sporting events of 2010.

I'm sure Manny's team will take the opinions of 1 million paying fans over the whines of a few thousand nonpaying armchair critics any day.

[Gandalf]

Pacquaio is a great fighter, I have no qualms in saying that. He is exciting to watch and brings a lot of excitement to his fights. However, having said that, I do have some issues, but like someone mentioned before that is largely to do with his team. There was no good reason to call Cotto down to a CW, there was no justification for giving Margarito a big fight and there is widespread disdain for choosing to fight Mosley at this point in Mosley's career. We can all point the finger at Roach and Arum, but at the end of the day it is Manny choosing to get in the ring with these people.

We cannot just give unreserved praise to a fighter and it is certainly not hateful to formulate constructive criticism when it is called for.

It's not widespread disdain. It's a few criticisms from within the hardcore boxing fan community. The reason Manny has selected Mosley is because it is a fight that the widespread boxing fanbase want to see.

Every forum that I have read since the fight was made is FULL of people who are repulsed by the prospect of this fight. There are a minority of voices saying that they think the fight is acceptable, but that is it. This is the only gauge of popular opinion that we have.

There is no evidence to suggest that Pacquiao-Mosley is being demanded by the public at this stage. Two years ago there was, but after Mosley has been hammered by Mayweather and laboured his way through 12 rounds against Mora for the draw? Nah, the fight will sell on Pacs current name and the fact that Mosley many years ago was an excellent fighter.

There are better fights and bigger challenges than this and everbody knows it. Were fight fans polled on who they wanted to see Manny fight next? Was this poll secretly given to the general public? Get real, it has been made simply because Mosley went rogue and Arum couldn't turn down the prospect of an easily negotiated fight against an old legend. Easy money in the pocket with a minimal level of risk involvement.

It has next to nothing to do with what the typical boxing fan wants nor expects.

That's forums mate. That's not widespread. Only about 1% of sporting fans are actually sad enough to be posting members of forums.

The fight will likely do over 1 million PPV buys making it one of the most popular sporting events of 2010.

I'm sure Manny's team will take the opinions of 1 million paying fans over the whines of a few thousand nonpaying armchair critics any day.

Right, so we disregard the opinions of all the fans on forums even though these are the only voices we know of. You are telling me that the widespread boxing fanbase wants to see this fight. What evidence do you have to suggest that the average armchair fan wants to see Manny Pac fight a 40 year old Mosley who hasn't won in 3 years above all other possible opponents? Has Mosley been dazzling them with his latest performances? Are we to assume that they have been impressed by what they have seen? Sure, with some snazzy marketing people will be led into buying the fight, but as things stand there is no demand for it. You could market a fight with a number of other fighters and still make great money from it.

It is a fight being built on Manny's name and that of a guy who was last decent a few years back and was excellent many years before. It is an opportunistic scam and the kind of behaviour that turned people against Floyd Mayweather. Pac is doing precisely the same.

[TitoFan]

Goodness no. To answer VD's song and dance about the steroids... why don't we bash the boxing organizations for not growing a pair and MAKE Pacquiao submit to the kind of testing everybody wants him to submit to? And no... Pac HASN'T tested dirty, regardless of the circumstances.

But let's see... why should we hate Pac... hmmm....

'Cause some of his fans are obnoxious? Well... that's hardly Pac's fault. If anybody deserves the hate, it would be the individual obnoxious fans.

'Cause he's fought a lot of fights at catchweights? Again... don't blame Pac for that. If the opposing promoters or trainers haven't been able to get fights with Pac at the official weights, don't blame Pac. Those are negotiation issues.

'Cause people consider him the world's p4p instead of Floyd? Well... good for them! IMO, Floyd deserves 10 times the hate Pac does, just for being a Grade-A asshole, and playing boxing fans for the fools some of them are. Dangles them on a string, while acting like an idiot to the rest of the world. Dodging fighters, taking sabbaticals, getting in all the trouble he can possibly get himself into... should I go on? And what... just because he's an American he should be given a free pass over someone who's the exact opposite? (Has class). I don't think so.

Pacquiao is a humble, great champion, and a wonderful ambassador for boxing. He's a people's champion, and that brings in more fans to our great sport. What is there to hate?

Truth be told, I liked Pac BEFORE he kicked the shit out of Oscar "Prima Donna" De La Hoya, who was looking for an easy, undersized scalp to ride off into the sunset with. That was just icing on the cake for me. THEN... when Hatton was making noises about him and Pac fighting for the p4p title (what a joke)... Pac made me more of a fan AGAIN when he put Hatton under full anestezia in two short, lopsided rounds. Finally... when he destroyed the cheating Margarito's face... that made me a fan for life. I wanted Margarito counted out... but the beating he took was probably more satisfying for me.

And yes... Pac did beat my boy Cotto. But I'm cool with that. Cotto brought some of that on himself by refusing to get a decent corner after his rift with his uncle. NOW he's finally seen the light, and got himself a professional guy in Manny Stewart. And Cotto will be back. He's not done yet.

And finally, I've never actually hated any fighter. Utter dislike... yes. Hate... that's a bit too strong for someone who hasn't personally wronged me in any way.

[Gandalf]

To Bilbo...as the quote thingy got so long so couldn't quote anymore...

Absolute bollocks. You are telling me that Mosley deserves his shot? Based on what? Winning a round against Floyd and arguably outpointing, though getting a draw, against Mora? So, you can get a shot a shot against the best fighter in the world based on winning a round against the best and drawing with a journeyman? And it is me that has lost all perspective? Sure I have....

I like the way you spin it, Bilbo. How many fighters look good after 40 and against the best P4P fighter in the world? Do you have an actual statistic for this? I bet it is zero. Nobody does. Mosley was a great fighter, but he clearly isn't anymore. The fact that you keep trying to defend it perfectly justifies my Russian analogy.

You have nothing to support your claim that Mosley has it anymore. Okay, let's take it back further. Cotto won more rounds against Mosley than Mosley himself could take and Mayorga gave him hell up until the stoppage. That was a Mosley of half a decade ago. And suddenly we are to expect that he has moved on to a new dimension since.

It is pure delusion and used only by Pac fans to try and justify to themseleves that this fight has meaning. My argument has credence and your five year plan will once again look weak when Mosley gets seriously hurt and I really don't want to see that.

[Kev]

To Bilbo...as the quote thingy got so long so couldn't quote anymore...

Absolute bollocks. You are telling me that Mosley deserves his shot? Based on what? Winning a round against Floyd and arguably outpointing, though getting a draw, against Mora? So, you can get a shot a shot against the best fighter in the world based on winning a round against the best and drawing with a journeyman? And it is me that has lost all perspective? Sure I have....

I like the way you spin it, Bilbo. How many fighters look good after 40 and against the best P4P fighter in the world? Do you have an actual statistic for this? I bet it is zero. Nobody does. Mosley was a great fighter, but he clearly isn't anymore. The fact that you keep trying to defend it perfectly justifies my Russian analogy.

You have nothing to support your claim that Mosley has it anymore. Okay, let's take it back further. Cotto won more rounds against Mosley than Mosley himself could take and Mayorga gave him hell up until the stoppage. That was a Mosley of half a decade ago. And suddenly we are to expect that he has moved on to a new dimension since.

It is pure delusion and used only by Pac fans to try and justify to themseleves that this fight has meaning. My argument has credence and your five year plan will once again look weak when Mosley gets seriously hurt and I really don't want to see that.

So who does deserve the fight with Manny then Miles? Would you like Manny to stop fighting until the Floyd fight could be negotioted? Maybe you would like him to move up and fight for a middleweight world title?

[Gandalf]

To Bilbo...as the quote thingy got so long so couldn't quote anymore...

Absolute bollocks. You are telling me that Mosley deserves his shot? Based on what? Winning a round against Floyd and arguably outpointing, though getting a draw, against Mora? So, you can get a shot a shot against the best fighter in the world based on winning a round against the best and drawing with a journeyman? And it is me that has lost all perspective? Sure I have....

I like the way you spin it, Bilbo. How many fighters look good after 40 and against the best P4P fighter in the world? Do you have an actual statistic for this? I bet it is zero. Nobody does. Mosley was a great fighter, but he clearly isn't anymore. The fact that you keep trying to defend it perfectly justifies my Russian analogy.

You have nothing to support your claim that Mosley has it anymore. Okay, let's take it back further. Cotto won more rounds against Mosley than Mosley himself could take and Mayorga gave him hell up until the stoppage. That was a Mosley of half a decade ago. And suddenly we are to expect that he has moved on to a new dimension since.

It is pure delusion and used only by Pac fans to try and justify to themseleves that this fight has meaning. My argument has credence and your five year plan will once again look weak when Mosley gets seriously hurt and I really don't want to see that.

So who does deserve the fight with Manny then Miles? Would you like Manny to stop fighting until the Floyd fight could be negotioted? Maybe you would like him to move up and fight for a middleweight world title?

I would like to see him fight Tim Bradley or Marquez at 140. Berto at 147 would be nice. And any other belt holder at 154. Mosley is really proving nothing right now.

A Floyd fight would be grand and I would be supporting Manny all the way. I have given him credit after each of his victories, but I do criticise him when it is needed. Right now team Pac needs to be criticised.

Anyway, I am pissed off with this thread. I am tired of being linked with anti-semitism. If anybody refers to me or links it to me I shall report it and leave it up to the MODS from now on. I argue my points and do so as well as I can, but when you get idiots swaying in every time saying "ÿou hate Jews" and "you are an anti semite"..well it's not true and at the least I never want to see this on the main board.