When Pavlik gets his head on can he beat Martinez?

[Kev]

Hey JT, don't often see you on the boards.

I feel sorry for Pavlik. He went from being one of the most popular fighters in the game to being almost detested and considered a shot joke of a fighter within a couple years.

I still like him and still think he has the potential to be a real force again. He seems to have lost his confidence though and it might be hard to get that back.

I always found him a fun fighter to watch though and I'd like to see him in the mix again but it might be a long road back.

Him against Paul Williams finally would be a great crossroads fight.

[armin]

Pavlik can be back as long as he sticks to 160 and gets some of the crispness back which the loss of may be attributed to his problems outside the ring. If you watch the pavlik that beat taylor or miranda his 1-2 is very fast and crisp, and then after he just started looking more slugish and slugish. He's only had 2 defeats, one at the hands of an atg, and one to a very good fighter in martinez and pavlik made that decently competitive if I remember right, no shame in that. So yeah I think he can definitely be back as long as he straightens out his life.

[MMASUX]

I dont think he can beat Martinez even if he gets his head straight. Martinez' speed is too much for Pavlik. If and when Pavlik gets his life straightened out i think it will be too late to have any meaningful fights. I hope he gets it together for life outside the ring, i wish him luck.

[CutMeMick]

What's good JT?

I think no matter what if Pavlik-Sergio fight today, next month and next year Sergio beats him 9 out of 10 times.
Sergios style is all wrong for Pavlik. Pavlik beats conventional fighters and or fighters who decide to stand and trade shots with him.

He's been outboxed twice by two guys who used the entire ring and would jump in and out.

What Pavlik needs is a good 2 win fight streak to set him up with a 3rd fight for a title.

Possible opponents:
Manfredo - Pretty known and would be a good money fight for Peter and a something to build on for Pavlik.
David Lopez - Has racked up some good wins and is on a streak but his style is taylor made for Pavlik. Take 2 or 3 to land 1.
Kassim Ouma - Former champ and know just picked up some strap. He lasts in the ring but a fight Pavlik should win.
Lastly maybe Ossie Duran who just beat Vanda.

[Kev]

What's good JT?

I think no matter what if Pavlik-Sergio fight today, next month and next year Sergio beats him 9 out of 10 times.
Sergios style is all wrong for Pavlik. Pavlik beats conventional fighters and or fighters who decide to stand and trade shots with him.

He's been outboxed twice by two guys who used the entire ring and would jump in and out.

What Pavlik needs is a good 2 win fight streak to set him up with a 3rd fight for a title.

Possible opponents:
Manfredo - Pretty known and would be a good money fight for Peter and a something to build on for Pavlik.
David Lopez - Has racked up some good wins and is on a streak but his style is taylor made for Pavlik. Take 2 or 3 to land 1.
Kassim Ouma - Former champ and know just picked up some strap. He lasts in the ring but a fight Pavlik should win.
Lastly maybe Ossie Duran who just beat Vanda.

What about Chavez Jr and Andy Lee? Both are pretty high profile and I think Pavlik can knock them both out. That would make a statement. I didn't even know Ouma was still around, I thought he lost like 5 in a row or something?

[Dizaster]

I would like to see Pavlik back towards the top again.... I think physically he can still be there, he just needs a serious brain flush and refresh and start all over again...

In all the boxing I have watched, I have never seen the life and fire go out of a boxers eyes in the face of a loss than I saw in Pavlik after the B-Hop loss when Hopkins was giving him the talk about how he's still great, he just lost to an even greater fighter.....

Pavlik is an incredibly likable guy from a supportive city that doesn't raise to many champion boxers, and if it had not been for the loss to Hopkins, would still be incredibly loved I think.... But that was a perfect example of how mentally challenging it can be for boxers to deal with losses.... Of course the physical toll of a loss can be something, but some guys just lose an instinct and fire that they never get back after a loss....

You would think Pavlik won't be the same, but geez, KO'ing a few of the guys on Mick's or Biblo's lists and he could be able to refresh his brain and get back that slugger instinct that he had before...

Would love to see that again..

[Spicoli]

Just dont see it. I think he's shell shocked vs a tricky mover with quick hands and self belief. He needs to just get in the ring firstly....break cycle, maybe get outta hometown (??) and start rebuild. You only get so many do-overs.

[Ant Live]

What's good JT?


Possible opponents:
Manfredo - Pretty known and would be a good money fight for Peter and a something to build on for Pavlik.
David Lopez - Has racked up some good wins and is on a streak but his style is taylor made for Pavlik. Take 2 or 3 to land 1.
Kassim Ouma - Former champ and know just picked up some strap. He lasts in the ring but a fight Pavlik should win.
Lastly maybe Ossie Duran who just beat Vanda.

What about Chavez Jr and Andy Lee? Both are pretty high profile and I think Pavlik can knock them both out. That would make a statement. I didn't even know Ouma was still around, I thought he lost like 5 in a row or something?

What about Strum? Even if he has to go in his backyard.
Allan Green would be a good crossroad fight.
Pavli will KO Paul Williams right now.

Whomever it may be, Pavlik needs to fight soon and often.

[CutMeMick]

What's good JT?

I think no matter what if Pavlik-Sergio fight today, next month and next year Sergio beats him 9 out of 10 times.
Sergios style is all wrong for Pavlik. Pavlik beats conventional fighters and or fighters who decide to stand and trade shots with him.

He's been outboxed twice by two guys who used the entire ring and would jump in and out.

What Pavlik needs is a good 2 win fight streak to set him up with a 3rd fight for a title.

Possible opponents:
Manfredo - Pretty known and would be a good money fight for Peter and a something to build on for Pavlik.
David Lopez - Has racked up some good wins and is on a streak but his style is taylor made for Pavlik. Take 2 or 3 to land 1.
Kassim Ouma - Former champ and know just picked up some strap. He lasts in the ring but a fight Pavlik should win.
Lastly maybe Ossie Duran who just beat Vanda.

What about Chavez Jr and Andy Lee? Both are pretty high profile and I think Pavlik can knock them both out. That would make a statement. I didn't even know Ouma was still around, I thought he lost like 5 in a row or something?

There is no way in fucking hell they put Jr in front of Pavlik... Ouma was on a losing streak but won his last fight and picked up some strap.

[bzkfn]

What's good JT?

I think no matter what if Pavlik-Sergio fight today, next month and next year Sergio beats him 9 out of 10 times.
Sergios style is all wrong for Pavlik. Pavlik beats conventional fighters and or fighters who decide to stand and trade shots with him.

He's been outboxed twice by two guys who used the entire ring and would jump in and out.

What Pavlik needs is a good 2 win fight streak to set him up with a 3rd fight for a title.

Possible opponents:
Manfredo - Pretty known and would be a good money fight for Peter and a something to build on for Pavlik.
David Lopez - Has racked up some good wins and is on a streak but his style is taylor made for Pavlik. Take 2 or 3 to land 1.
Kassim Ouma - Former champ and know just picked up some strap. He lasts in the ring but a fight Pavlik should win.
Lastly maybe Ossie Duran who just beat Vanda.

What about Chavez Jr and Andy Lee? Both are pretty high profile and I think Pavlik can knock them both out. That would make a statement. I didn't even know Ouma was still around, I thought he lost like 5 in a row or something?

There is no way in fucking hell they put Jr in front of Pavlik... Ouma was on a losing streak but won his last fight and picked up some strap.

Got to agree with Mick again. Both can still make Arum money, absolutely no point sacrificing one to boost the other whe he can continue to give both soft fights.

[Kev]

What's good JT?

I think no matter what if Pavlik-Sergio fight today, next month and next year Sergio beats him 9 out of 10 times.
Sergios style is all wrong for Pavlik. Pavlik beats conventional fighters and or fighters who decide to stand and trade shots with him.

He's been outboxed twice by two guys who used the entire ring and would jump in and out.

What Pavlik needs is a good 2 win fight streak to set him up with a 3rd fight for a title.

Possible opponents:
Manfredo - Pretty known and would be a good money fight for Peter and a something to build on for Pavlik.
David Lopez - Has racked up some good wins and is on a streak but his style is taylor made for Pavlik. Take 2 or 3 to land 1.
Kassim Ouma - Former champ and know just picked up some strap. He lasts in the ring but a fight Pavlik should win.
Lastly maybe Ossie Duran who just beat Vanda.

What about Chavez Jr and Andy Lee? Both are pretty high profile and I think Pavlik can knock them both out. That would make a statement. I didn't even know Ouma was still around, I thought he lost like 5 in a row or something?

There is no way in fucking hell they put Jr in front of Pavlik... Ouma was on a losing streak but won his last fight and picked up some strap.

Got to agree with Mick again. Both can still make Arum money, absolutely no point sacrificing one to boost the other whe he can continue to give both soft fights.

Are Chavez and Pavlik both with Bob Arum? I didn't know that? Shame that seems a great matchup to me.

I still want Pavlik to face Williams, that fight was scheduled a couple times and is the perfect crossroads fight.

Chavez and Lee make perfect sense although not if promoted by the same promoter.

I can't see that Ouma offers anything though I just checked his record, lost 5 out of 6 then beat Contender Joey Gilbert but only after being dropped and way down on all cards by about 4 or 5 rounds out of 7.

[bzkfn]

What's good JT?

I think no matter what if Pavlik-Sergio fight today, next month and next year Sergio beats him 9 out of 10 times.
Sergios style is all wrong for Pavlik. Pavlik beats conventional fighters and or fighters who decide to stand and trade shots with him.

He's been outboxed twice by two guys who used the entire ring and would jump in and out.

What Pavlik needs is a good 2 win fight streak to set him up with a 3rd fight for a title.

Possible opponents:
Manfredo - Pretty known and would be a good money fight for Peter and a something to build on for Pavlik.
David Lopez - Has racked up some good wins and is on a streak but his style is taylor made for Pavlik. Take 2 or 3 to land 1.
Kassim Ouma - Former champ and know just picked up some strap. He lasts in the ring but a fight Pavlik should win.
Lastly maybe Ossie Duran who just beat Vanda.

Could probably add John Duddy to that list as well. It'd be an exciting fight while it lasted. 2 guys, with decent followings who like to trade. Decent undercard fight on anyone's card.

I agree with everything else Mick says in this post. Sergio is too fast and presents Pavlik with too many angles. If his team believed it was possible, I don't think they would have waved the rematch clause.

[TigerFan]

I think he could beat Martinez in a rematch...if he got healthy and sober. According to a story on yahoo Pavlik briefly entered rehab two weeks before he stepped into the ring with Martinez. So a Pavlik, who was nowhere near 100% pulled even(maybe a point ahead with the kd) after 8 rounds...before he was cut in the 9th and broke down ala Juan Diaz when he saw his own blood.

I think the whole "Pavlik can't fight movers" thing is overblown a bit due to the Hopkins defeat. Sure that's the style that would give a guy like him fits...but he had started to figure Martinez out who is one of the most versatile boxers in the game today. I think had he not been cut we were looking at a close 1 or 2 point fight.

[No Contest]

Maybe if he ditches his trainer. He needs to add to his arsenal, all he does is throw 1,2's. TBH I think its his crappy trainer. His defense could use help too. BTW why would you jump around weight classes to fight B-Hop, that was just a stupid move.