Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand

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Boxing - Marquez-Morales in April?

I have to say, this is just as bad as Pacquiao fighting Mosley. At least Morales is coming off a win I suppose, but for me this is just a gimme to keep Marquez winning for Pacquiao. The fight is at 135.

Who promoting this fight?
Morales is not going to be so easy but I do believe JMM will win. But why this fight? This fight is not going to raise JMM stock any unless it's a fight of the year canny. JMM should be fight someone in the 140 division.

Golden Boy. I agree with every reply in this thread thus far.

[skel1983]

What weight is this at?

[skel1983]

Sorry just saw 135, can Morales make this weight? Why the hell did he fight Limond who is a 135 lb fighter at 147?

[GAME]

Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.

A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.

[Gandalf]

Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.

[bzkfn]

Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.

Just to confirm this is at 135...

Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News

They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.

Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

[Gandalf]

Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.

Just to confirm this is at 135...

Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News

They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.

Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

No, I am in agreement. Morales beat Diaz quite clearly. It wasn't a particularly close fight, though it had its moments.

So, 135. Fair enough, but another gimme fight with no real intentions of pursuing Pacman. I will get off the Marquez crusade then. I wanted to see the fight, but seeing as Marquez is taking easy money fights too, then I cannot defend one fighter over the other.

[Spicoli]

Hate it. Marquez is very much on his a game while Morales has seen it pass him by long ago. I think Marquez will have his way and pin point all night, come about round 7,8 he'll really start to dislike doing it to a fellow great.

I've been one not terribly critical of Manny vs Mosley. While Mosley is not what he was he is far from getting dropped, staggered or just beaten up in any fashion over last few. He's been widely beaten by one of the premier guys in the sport, something Jmm can also say but even then he had him reeling, albeit for a moment. Mora? Who ever choose that 'style' for Shane should be slapped silly.

[Violent Demise]

Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.

Just to confirm this is at 135...

Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News

They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.

Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

The fight will take place at 140. And it will most likely be for the WBC Junior Welterweight title. Making the winner the first Mexican 4 division champion. Without the title this fight is looked as a mismatch. It'll do okay cuz both fighters have there loyal followers. But it be mostly frowned on. With the title on the line this fight is history in the making and becomes huge. It'll still be frowned on. But nobody will care.

Devon Alexander is the current title holder. But that won't be for long. The stripping of his title is happening right before our eyes. Tim Bradley has done his part to insure that. He's refused to pay the WBC any sanctioning fees. So if he wins he doesn't become the WBC champion. And Alexander can't keep the title cuz he lost. So it becomes vacant. The WBC pretty much wants it's champion Alerxander to lose. It makes everything easier. Bradley doesn't want the belt. Alexander can't keep it. The WBC is free to hand it to the Morales-Marquez winner with little to no backlash. That's plan A. There's also a plan B. In case Devon wins. If Alexander comes out on top of this unification fight, the WBC will demand Alexander defend against the number one contender. Which is Ajose Olusegun. Alexander will have 90 days to do so. Chances are just about none Alexander will jump back into to the ring so quickly after the Bradley fight. Especially not for a Ajose Olusegun. That will lead to either Alexander giving up the belt himself or the WBC stripping him after 90 days for not fighting Olusegun. Either way the WBC Junior Welterweight title will be on the line for Marquez-Morales.

[skel1983]

Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.

A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.

Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.

[GAME]

Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.

A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.

Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.

To have a close fight with David Diaz is as good as ownage. The point I was making is that Morales was far from his peak even back then so I cant see how he is going to have any chance in this fight at all.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.

A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.

Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.

To have a close fight with David Diaz is as good as ownage. The point I was making is that Morales was far from his peak even back then so I cant see how he is going to have any chance in this fight at all.

a fresher Soto had a "close" fight with Diaz, Morales won that fight against Diaz by AT LEAST 3 rounds plus the extra point for the 1st round knockdown, it wasn't close by any means, highway robbery

[rjj tszyu]

Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.

A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.

I don't think this is a good fight now but I also don't think that Diaz owned Morales either!

Prime for prime I'd go with Erik but now he is a lot more shopworn of the 2 and will get beaten easily IMO.

[GAME]

Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.

A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.

I don't think this is a good fight now but I also don't think that Diaz owned Morales either!

Prime for prime I'd go with Erik but now he is a lot more shopworn of the 2 and will get beaten easily IMO.

Prime for prime I go for Erik too. The ownage statement was to say that if he couldnt beat Diaz back then then why would he be able to beat Marquez now. Whether he deserved to win or not he lost to a guy he would have smashed in his prime but I wish him well vs JMM and it would serve Marquez right if he lost for trying to pick on washed up leftovers. Same for Pac if he lost to Mosley. Never write greats off cuz they might just be able to pull off 1 last great win ( even though thats exactly what Im doing in writing off Mosley and Morales in their next fights )

Its true that all fighters have 1 last great win in them but Magarito was Shanes and Pac was Morales'. With Mexican pride on the line Morales will not go down easy though. Marquez will be in for the fight of his life even if Morales cant pull the trigger anymore he will certainly give it his all and leave it all in the ring. I dont expect him to sit it out winking in this one after 3 rounds. He will take Marquez to the trenches before he is done I and with a bit of luck fortune goes his way with a cut or something that puts Juan off his game and makes it a more competative fight. Hope we get to see it.

[No Contest]

I'm gonna pick Morales, just because nobody thinks he can win and I'll look like a genius if he does.