Haye's career defining fights.

[bzkfn]

To me it was clear this thread was started to claim that Haye needs Wlad, hence why I counter claimed. Miles, my point was that not one of the names you mentioned of Wlad's record would go in as favourite in a fight with David Haye. Like it or not, he is widely considered the biggest threat to Wlad's crown so for them not to fight would be a blow to both. It is a career defining fight for both. As a career defining fight, are you suggesting Wlad can pack up happy he has done all he can to cement his legacy, or do you agree that Wlad needs Haye? I'm not saying Haye doesn't need Wlad, because he does. My argument is that they both need each other.

[porkypara]

If you judge Haye as a CW then he fought the best and beat the best.

However Hayes record at HW is not that impressive.He beat Valuev for the title which is fair enough,he had to fight Ruiz because he was his mandentory which again he did not have much choice in.

Not much excuse in fighting Harrison apart from the money and an easy nights work .

So Haye still has a lot to prove at HW IMO.

[smashup]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

Going To Mormecks backyard, getting up from the deck and winning by TKO didn't impress you?

How many people do that?

He cleaned up the Cruiser division in style imo, battering every opponent he faced (Bar Thompson).

I was ringside for the Fragomenni fight when he was cut badly and dug deep to get a tko in a tough , tough fight.

That showed he had a pair

And is it his fault the Heavyweight division is shit?

He's never ducked anyone and so what if he made a few quid fighting Audrey...

Is clear for everyone to see that the Klit Bros are doing everything possible to avoid a fight with him.

So in your opinion who is there for him to fight out there that would be defining?

Take Vitali and Wlad out the division for a minute

Exactly!

[Darth_Simasu]

1) Jean Marc Mormeck

2) John Ruiz

3) Nikolay Valuev

Yes David you really can 'hold your head up high' if the Klitchsko fights don't go ahead before you hide behind your grand old age of 31 years.

What a joke, he's nothing but a celebrity boxer who's conning the public the same way Ricky Hatton did but on a larger scale. Atleast Ricky did love boxing and had career defining fights.

Going To Mormecks backyard, getting up from the deck and winning by TKO didn't impress you?

How many people do that?

He cleaned up the Cruiser division in style imo, battering every opponent he faced (Bar Thompson).

I was ringside for the Fragomenni fight when he was cut badly and dug deep to get a tko in a tough , tough fight.

That showed he had a pair

And is it his fault the Heavyweight division is shit?

He's never ducked anyone and so what if he made a few quid fighting Audrey...

Is clear for everyone to see that the Klit Bros are doing everything possible to avoid a fight with him.

So in your opinion who is there for him to fight out there that would be defining?

Take Vitali and Wlad out the division for a minute

Exactly!

The result of the Mormec fight surprised me more than it impressed me. What has Mormec ever really done before or after the Haye fight? Nothing worthy of a mention. Haye ruled a very weak cruiserweight division for a short time let's not forget that. Haye could've fought several fighter's to grab my attention by now such as Adamek, Chaegev, Arreola, Peter, Chambers or even Chisora. I'll let him off for the Valuev and Ruiz fights because Valuev was the easiest option to become a champion and in Ruiz he was fighting the mandatory for the belt. It still doesn't excuse his inactivity and he clearly only uses boxing as his ticket to fame. A more admirable approach than your average big brother contestant but for a boxing fan (as opposed to 'nerd' which I was earlier labelled) he's part of the reason boxing is not the sport it once was.

[El Kabong]

What about Enzo Maccarinelli? I seem to remember a lot of bragging about that fight.

[Gandalf]

To me it was clear this thread was started to claim that Haye needs Wlad, hence why I counter claimed. Miles, my point was that not one of the names you mentioned of Wlad's record would go in as favourite in a fight with David Haye. Like it or not, he is widely considered the biggest threat to Wlad's crown so for them not to fight would be a blow to both. It is a career defining fight for both. As a career defining fight, are you suggesting Wlad can pack up happy he has done all he can to cement his legacy, or do you agree that Wlad needs Haye? I'm not saying Haye doesn't need Wlad, because he does. My argument is that they both need each other.

I think both Wlad and Vitali have had long and fairly decent careers, so could call it a day without fighting Haye, but it would be better to see them fight Haye though. It would add a bit more at the end. No reason why they shouldn't. It's big money and all the talking has built up some expectation. Belt holder against best holder with a bit of a grudge thrown in for good measure.

Yeah, get it on. Like I say, I want to see it too.

[Memphis]

What about Enzo Maccarinelli? I seem to remember a lot of bragging about that fight.

Yes but you remember alot of things that werent actually true dont you Lyle. Most people here ignore anything you care to remember as its more than likely bollocks. A few nut jobs go along with it but more fool them I say.

[smashup]

What about Enzo Maccarinelli? I seem to remember a lot of bragging about that fight.

Yes but you remember alot of things that werent actually true dont you Lyle. Most people here ignore anything you care to remember as its more than likely bollocks. A few nut jobs go along with it but more fool them I say.

I am and have been for sometime...utterly convinced that Lyle actually lives in Vitalis ring piece

I'd bet heavily he's got his picture on his wall and his name upon his scarf

[El Kabong]

What about Enzo Maccarinelli? I seem to remember a lot of bragging about that fight.

Yes but you remember alot of things that werent actually true dont you Lyle. Most people here ignore anything you care to remember as its more than likely bollocks. A few nut jobs go along with it but more fool them I say.

I just asked a question Memphis, no need to get your panties in a wad. Its not like I said that the Maccarinelli fight was THE defining fight for him I merely wondered why it wasn't included especially since the WBA title holder himself thought so highly of his performance in that fight. Its not like I mentioned the Monte Barrett fight or Audley Harrison fight.

You Brits need to get a grip, not EVERY post I make is purposely meant to stir you up....occasionally I do have my fun, but ffs take a chill pill, I make one post and all of you are up on your hind legs getting all defensive and calling me names....I think you're protesting too much, I believe I've hit a nerve with you guys.

[Memphis]

What about Enzo Maccarinelli? I seem to remember a lot of bragging about that fight.

Yes but you remember alot of things that werent actually true dont you Lyle. Most people here ignore anything you care to remember as its more than likely bollocks. A few nut jobs go along with it but more fool them I say.

I just asked a question Memphis, no need to get your panties in a wad. Its not like I said that the Maccarinelli fight was THE defining fight for him I merely wondered why it wasn't included especially since the WBA title holder himself thought so highly of his performance in that fight. Its not like I mentioned the Monte Barrett fight or Audley Harrison fight.

You Brits need to get a grip, not EVERY post I make is purposely meant to stir you up....occasionally I do have my fun, but ffs take a chill pill, I make one post and all of you are up on your hind legs getting all defensive and calling me names....I think you're protesting too much, I believe I've hit a nerve with you guys.

Who needs to chill? Im stating a cast iron truth Lyle, you know it and so do I. You make shit up for a past time, its not done in jest, your not that funny a guy. I didnt call you any names, you see, there you go again, seeing something that isnt there. I dont think you realise you're doing it

[El Kabong]

#1 No you specifically didn't call me a name Memphis but other Brits have and you stated that my question was "Made up" and "Bollocks"

#2 Where did I make something up? I just asked a simple question.

[Fenster]

(as opposed to 'nerd' which I was earlier labelled)

That includes myself too.

[Memphis]

#1 No you specifically didn't call me a name Memphis but other Brits have and you stated that my question was "Made up" and "Bollocks"

#2 Where did I make something up? I just asked a simple question.

Other Brits have so Im guilty too? Bit racists init?

I didnt say your question was made up or bollocks, I said your memory is shit and that other people think your recollection of certain events is more than likely bollocks, you proved that in #1

as for #2, see response to #1

[El Kabong]

#1 British isn't a race

#2 What did I remember incorrectly?

[Memphis]

Well I didnt say your question was made up or bollocks for a start. I havent had to leave this thread and your doing all the work for me