Judah focused AND conditioned for 12 rounds = UNSTOPPABLE

[ross]

He needs someone like Rooney who emphasises head movement, combination punching and trains his fighters hard whith tons of sparring, I believe judah would go with him from the link with tyson, he obviously likes Mike so knows Rooney is class

[Violent Demise]

Weak chin
No heart
No discliplined
Panics when hit
Easily frustrated
Sad excuse for a corner
Showboats to much

The only thing unstoppable for Judah is future losses. He has to many negatives against him to ever be champion again

[El Gamo]

Weak chin
No heart
No discliplined
Panics when hit
Easily frustrated
Sad excuse for a corner
Showboats to much

The only thing unstoppable for Judah is future losses. He has to many negatives against him to ever be champion again

Excellent excellent post.CC!! Took the words from my mouth.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Quick question, has Zab ever fought back from adversity? ever been on the receiving end and come out on top?

Genuine question, I havent seen all his fights.

From what Ive seen he is a good on top fighter, he cant "bottom down" as they say.

He seems to lack the heart, mental toughness and belief that seperates the good from the great.

Simple

Whenever he's been knocked down or in trouble he came back and knocked the guy down or out(with the excepttion of Tszyu and Baldomir) Zab's downfall started when he hired his father as his trainer. And if Zab didn't have heart Baldomir would have stopped him, Floyd would have stopped him, and he wouldn't have risen so quickly from the Tszyu knockdown

[Wacko3205]

"Judah focused AND conditioned for 12 rounds = UNSTOPPABLE?"


No. Totally disagree.

Here's the thing about Judah...I think he's a super talented boxer...I just think that he's a prick & also he's proven that he's not championship caliber nor is he worthy to be a belt holder.

I also think that the kid is just a continous black eye on the sport.

Stop & look at Judah...he looks great against nobodies...but then again...if you are a top contender...then you will.

When matched skill for skill against a boxer that has an array of punches & mounds of power...he falls apart & either get's his ass handed to him or he turns into a 12 year old in a grown man's body. Kostya stomped him & he acted a fool to Nady. Floyd was wearing his ass out & he goes dirty. He loses, clearly, to Baldomir & acts like a cross between Emanuel Augustus & a thug that just got his colors.

What else is it gonna take for people to recognize that Judah has had way too many opportunities to make a statement & the only one he makes is that he's an idiot.

True waste of talent.

[p4pking]

Quick question, has Zab ever fought back from adversity? ever been on the receiving end and come out on top?

Genuine question, I havent seen all his fights.

From what Ive seen he is a good on top fighter, he cant "bottom down" as they say.

He seems to lack the heart, mental toughness and belief that seperates the good from the great.

Well yes, he did against Mickey Ward. Can't remember for sure I think it was the 9th round, Ward landed his trademark left to the body and had Judah backpedalling for basically the whole round. Then the next he round he completely took over and dominated Ward the rest of the way. I can see why people thought he was going to be unstoppable when he was unbeaten, that's for sure. And he has the talent to win against anyone at 140 to 147 even now, but he would probably lose to several guys out there.

[Wacko3205]

Also...let me say this...Judah shows shades of greatness...but they get blurred along with way.

Watch him fight. If he's in with bottom feeders he can work it out well...it's decieving.

Toss him in with talent & he platues by the middle of the fight. He did it with Spinks & Floyd of late in obvious fashion.

I hate to be so cut & dry about the kid...but honestly...I can say that if there is one fighter & person I actually hate for boxing...it's him...& JFAT.

[KickboxAmob]

he wont ever be champion again
it aint even about talent or heart
its about him not wanting it enough
it just shows in his most difficult fights
thats he really hasnt got the will to give it al hes got
if its going his way and the fight feels easy
he can be a real good fighter
but that doesnt really count
he should just retire and follow his heart
cause it cant be in boxing

[BrooklyniteQueen]

"Judah focused AND conditioned for 12 rounds = UNSTOPPABLE?"


No. Totally disagree.

Here's the thing about Judah...I think he's a super talented boxer...I just think that he's a prick & also he's proven that he's not championship caliber nor is he worthy to be a belt holder.

I also think that the kid is just a continous black eye on the sport.

Stop & look at Judah...he looks great against nobodies...but then again...if you are a top contender...then you will.

When matched skill for skill against a boxer that has an array of punches & mounds of power...he falls apart & either get's his ass handed to him or he turns into a 12 year old in a grown man's body. Kostya stomped him & he acted a fool to Nady. Floyd was wearing his ass out & he goes dirty. He loses, clearly, to Baldomir & acts like a cross between Emanuel Augustus & a thug that just got his colors.

What else is it gonna take for people to recognize that Judah has had way too many opportunities to make a statement & the only one he makes is that he's an idiot.

True waste of talent.

What about beating Spinks?

I think you truly all belittle Judah. Because he's never lost to a bum. Baldomir was a top contender and he was number one. Tszyu is a hall of fame fighter. He came back and beat Cory Spinks, and Floyd Mayweather is the number 1 pound for pound guy. So I don't understand how you can act like Judah is some sort of bum when you consider who he's lost to.

Tsyzyu(didn't want a rematch)
Mayweather
Baldomir(didn't want a rematch)
Spinks(got a rematch and it was avenged)

So I see the logic there. Anyone can say what a boxer will and can do in an instance but when you fight the best it's going to happen to you no matter who you are. Give Judah what little credit you can and stop acting like all he loses to are bums.

[TyBuff]

First and foremost Judah cant concentrate that long!

[Wacko3205]

What about beating Spinks?

I think you truly all belittle Judah. Because he's never lost to a bum. Baldomir was a top contender and he was number one. Tszyu is a hall of fame fighter. He came back and beat Cory Spinks, and Floyd Mayweather is the number 1 pound for pound guy. So I don't understand how you can act like Judah is some sort of bum when you consider who he's lost to.

Tsyzyu(didn't want a rematch)
Mayweather
Baldomir(didn't want a rematch)
Spinks(got a rematch and it was avenged)

So I see the logic there. Anyone can say what a boxer will and can do in an instance but when you fight the best it's going to happen to you no matter who you are. Give Judah what little credit you can and stop acting like all he loses to are bums.

I never said that he loses to bums...I said that he beats on a bunch of bums.

Spinks being the exception ofcourse...but I don't think he's all that either.

Also...let's be honest...you won't see any logic regarding Judah anymore than I will. Haters & Lovers are two different things...but they feel the respective emotions just as strongly.

Trust me...no need for a rematch against Kostya or Mayweather. Baldomir was smart not to take a rematch...but Judah clearly was beaten there also. Spinks win over Judah showed Judah's stupidity once again...but it's a plus that Zab got the rematch and...YES...avenged it.

Let's just face the facts that Judah's all good in the neighborhood...but he just don't walk the streets correctly.

[NuthaPug]

I will say this, if Judah could focus himself on conditioning and sticking to a gameplan. I truly believe that he could beat anybody from 140 to 147. Judah is just as talented athletically as Floyd. If he could just get a different trainer like Roach or somebody that would push him to be conditioned all 12 rounds and that would stress the importance of a gameplan, he would be UNSTOPPABLE!!! Even with that glass jaw. Does anybody else agree with me?

I don't think anyone disagrees that Judah doesn't box to his potential.

The key word in all of the above is "if."

One could say the opposite and instead use the word "since" and describe actual fact, instead of hypotheticals.

Since Judah doesn't focus, since Judah doesn't have the heart of a finisher - we'll never know how good he could have been.

Certainly looks like he could be better than he is. But he isn't.

[Taeth]

I think he was focused against Mayweather its just PBF adapted and beat him.

[cockey cockney]

Focused and Conditioned he would be very very very tough for anyone to be. About being unstoppable i would doubt that, anyone with a glass jaw will now and then get caught by a big shot and be KO'd. He could be a very good champion but being the greatest in his era i doubt.

[SalTheButcher]

"Judah focused AND conditioned for 12 rounds = UNSTOPPABLE?"


No. Totally disagree.

Here's the thing about Judah...I think he's a super talented boxer...I just think that he's a prick & also he's proven that he's not championship caliber nor is he worthy to be a belt holder.

I also think that the kid is just a continous black eye on the sport.

Stop & look at Judah...he looks great against nobodies...but then again...if you are a top contender...then you will.

When matched skill for skill against a boxer that has an array of punches & mounds of power...he falls apart & either get's his ass handed to him or he turns into a 12 year old in a grown man's body. Kostya stomped him & he acted a fool to Nady. Floyd was wearing his ass out & he goes dirty. He loses, clearly, to Baldomir & acts like a cross between Emanuel Augustus & a thug that just got his colors.

What else is it gonna take for people to recognize that Judah has had way too many opportunities to make a statement & the only one he makes is that he's an idiot.

True waste of talent.

CLEARLY?

only one judge had it by more then 2 points


and he beat the shit out of mayweather for 5 rounds, who else has done that?