hook video part 1 for Kimbo

[nikola_ganchev]

Sorry while i was writting the first replay i havent seen yours..

[iceman]

hmm, depending on the movement i throw a hook at a guy moving backwards, mainly to keep him going that way. as for the elbow, i also do tend to move it as it seems to fit the situation. and like i said i see most people look past the body and expose the side of their head. also people tend to get the punch in front of the body not following...those are my points. i agree there are things i don't like but i try a lot and decide what works from the point of does it score. chasing hooks or bounding hooks i don't like. seen them work but not a huge fan

[nikola_ganchev]

They work because they capitalize on the mistake that the oder boxer is doing. Not staying on the back leg and he is not taking his head with the step. And if he is going backwards while loading on the back leg he is going to shoot the most powerful right that he can throw while you are going forwards... Its a recepy for desaster. The idea of punching infront of you is good. It explaynes the problem that comes from punching the heavy bag... The boxers are used to punch the fat bag. No one has head like this.

[iceman]

gotta disagree on going back as a good tactic...never ran into a cross as the guy going back only has time to do one thing,go back... he has to re-set and re-evaluate before he can throw most anything. true some can fight going backwards but not many

[nikola_ganchev]

See going backwards and pulling away are 2 really different things. First if you stay in your corect stance your head will be of the center to your right(for orthodox). This means it will be at the furdest distance from your oponents right hand. In this position we can not talk for right cross. I have written a post befor a week or so about the right cross. There you can see Kenny Weldon (someone who knows something about boxing not like me) explaining it. So from this position if i go backwards with taking my head with the leg rotating my front leg and sholders i have acomplished 4 defensive manuvers in one. First the sholder row then this makes my head to go even further off the center. So i have sliped a punch in the same movement. Then it comes the loading on the right hand which i can use as a reaction punch (this makes 3). And on the last place going away from your left hook. So in this position i am secure, i can throw punches and i can move. Here are some examples what you can do with this movement:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-videos-3.html (at about 4 min)
(at 5:30)
(at 1:45)
(at 4:46 there is more on our dicution)

(at 1:40 to the end)

So this are the reasons why i think going backwards is really solid move!
Now lets talk about the pull away. On my mind comes Muhamed Ali. He is constantly making this pull away and get hit so many times. Hire is a small example:
(at 6:40)
YouTube - gggleeson68's Channel (and all the guys in this clip)
Between this movements there is so much difference!

[donnydarkoIRL]

I just thought I'd offer a couple of the issues that I had with this video, hopefully I don't come across as purely critical.

0.40 "A straight punch is the shortest distance between you and your target."
I had great difficulty digesting this comment. In Boxing I was taught a European style. The Jab was taught as a long straight punch used as a "defensive weapon." The right straight was a powerful scoring punch from range. However, both straight punches and their adaptations for scoring to the body were long range punches. From an audio visual perspective, this coach punches in front of his body, limiting his reach and range in my opinion.

3.25 "I've seen lots of people knocked out with bad left hooks that have done a good job of landing on target."
I see the point here, but feel there is a treacherous flaw in the train of thought. A left hook that lands does carry some force even if technique is less than impeccable. However, a fighter should never voluntarily sacrifice technique for the sake of landing a single punch. Sacrificing the technique of a punch compromises balance, power and most significantly defence.

6.00 "The basic stock standard left hook compromises of only a couple of fundamentals."
I find this statement nonchalant and perhaps negligent. It took me a long time to learn how to throw a left hook and a very good trainer had to take me aside and completely manipulate my technique. It is an easy punch to throw once you know how, but it is my belief this man does not as visually he demonstrates arm punching techniques later in the video.

I hope that I did not come across as negative here. I too am trying to learn and from what I have learned so far I came to those conclusions.

[nikola_ganchev]

I didn't want to sound so critical, but the problem is that this video is made for beginers and there the fundamentals must be clean as possible. Teaching the beginers such kind of stuff won't make them any good.