Re: Do you ever doubt God's existence?

[superheavyrhun]

I think the theory and belief in god has caused massive amounts of suffering, pain and war over the centuries, and that will massively negate any benefits to individuals from lengthening life and improving happiness.

From the use of Latin in English churches to keep the masses ignorant and persuade them to keep toiling in the servitude otherwise they go to hell, to more modern day instances such as the Catholic/Protestant conflict in Ireland and the jihad against the west.

To complete my compelling argument, I will reference the great encyclopedia of our times, Family Guy. In the parallel dimensions episode the dimension without god is the most technologically advanced and educated, as the repression of religion never happened. I think there is more than a grain of truth there.

[Andre]

I think the theory and belief in god has caused massive amounts of suffering, pain and war over the centuries, and that will massively negate any benefits to individuals from lengthening life and improving happiness.

From the use of Latin in English churches to keep the masses ignorant and persuade them to keep toiling in the servitude otherwise they go to hell, to more modern day instances such as the Catholic/Protestant conflict in Ireland and the jihad against the west.

To complete my compelling argument, I will reference the great encyclopedia of our times, Family Guy. In the parallel dimensions episode the dimension without god is the most technologically advanced and educated, as the repression of religion never happened. I think there is more than a grain of truth there.

Ruhn it is misinformation on God and about free will by the ones who wish to take control over others.They will have you in darkness and they will feed off you if allowed to.
Indian givers, excuse the term.

If anyone uses excuses like "It is the will of God" or God moves in mysterious ways" as an excuse for why things occur here on Earth ,then they are covering the real truth they are not coming from the correct direction from within light and love, they dont know God personally they only know of other mans words regarding God and you will find those men always place something or someone in between you and God. That is their works ,that is what they are planting that is what they will reap.

[superheavyrhun]

Ruhn it is misinformation on God and about free will by the ones who wish to take control over others.They will have you in darkness and they will feed off you if allowed to.
Indian givers, excuse the term.

If anyone uses excuses like "It is the will of God" or God moves in mysterious ways" as an excuse for why things occur here on Earth ,then they are covering the real truth they are not coming from the correct direction from within light and love, they dont know God personally they only know of other mans words regarding God and you will find those men always place something or someone in between you and God. That is their works ,that is what they are planting that is what they will reap.

Sorry Andre, even with the misinformation or stories of organised religion, I essentially have two problems that mean I'm agnostic, veering on the side of atheist when it comes to the question of god, and this is essentially comes down to the question of why do bad things happen to good people, and there is no doubt that often the bad things are massive, life-destroying and out of proportion with any transgressions god may perceive. Yes, I know it's simplistic, and a very black and white way to look at things, but the answers I deduce from that question give very little middle ground.

My two possible answers for this are:
a) God is an amoral being who created an universe but doesn't really get involved with the day-to-day running of his creation, and doesn't care about the torments inflicted. If this is the case, then I very much doubt god would be interested in my opinion of him, and whether i try to connect to him or not won't bother Him much either way.
b) There is no god.

I have no doubt there is great comfort and strength to be drawn from belief in god, and a perceived connection with this being, but I cannot bring myself to believe in such a deity.

[Andre]

Ruhn it is misinformation on God and about free will by the ones who wish to take control over others.They will have you in darkness and they will feed off you if allowed to.
Indian givers, excuse the term.

If anyone uses excuses like "It is the will of God" or God moves in mysterious ways" as an excuse for why things occur here on Earth ,then they are covering the real truth they are not coming from the correct direction from within light and love, they dont know God personally they only know of other mans words regarding God and you will find those men always place something or someone in between you and God. That is their works ,that is what they are planting that is what they will reap.

Sorry Andre, even with the misinformation or stories of organised religion, I essentially have two problems that mean I'm agnostic, veering on the side of atheist when it comes to the question of god, and this is essentially comes down to the question of why do bad things happen to good people, and there is no doubt that often the bad things are massive, life-destroying and out of proportion with any transgressions god may perceive. Yes, I know it's simplistic, and a very black and white way to look at things, but the answers I deduce from that question give very little middle ground.

My two possible answers for this are:
a) God is an amoral being who created an universe but doesn't really get involved with the day-to-day running of his creation, and doesn't care about the torments inflicted. If this is the case, then I very much doubt god would be interested in my opinion of him, and whether i try to connect to him or not won't bother Him much either way.
b) There is no god.

I have no doubt there is great comfort and strength to be drawn from belief in god, and a perceived connection with this being, but I cannot bring myself to believe in such a deity.

It matters not to me if you believe or not bro.
It matters that the false religions have innocent people beliving in a God that is vengeful or judgmental.

Both are false. As is the assertion that God is like us.. because of the statment 'God made us in his liking'.

It was meant in its true language that We can become magnificent beings even God like,if we so choose to aim that way.

In regards to people being born with problems or gaining problems in life. There can be a few reasons: First is karmic debt repayments from a past life, two is a self imposed spiritual test or sometimes a rescue of others.
You would be surprised at what levels some very Angelic beings will descend into in order to save another from many lifetimes of karmic debt.
God simply allows all things their time to decide.
That is why we are in such a mess down here, we did it all and we continue to do more of the same, densefing energies further and further inbreeding further and further,against the original recommendations. 'The sins of the fathers visiting on the sons' wasnt a vengeful thing; it meant the truth, that whatever the forefathers did to effect their dna and rna would run through the family lines for a few generations. They even warned about pigs for a good reason way back then, they are genetically very close to us.

[Scrap]

God is old, must be, they in South America dug into a hillside, and found Human Footprints at the side of Dinasours. Between 100 and 135 million years old, is that interesting or what.

[Andre]

God is old, must be, they in South America dug into a hillside, and found Human Footprints at the side of Dinasours. Between 100 and 135 million years old, is that interesting or what.

Bet they were a black skinned race too.

[Scrap]

According to foot size and stride they were 9ft, look it up Forbidden Archeology interesting.

[Mars_ax]

God is old, must be, they in South America dug into a hillside, and found Human Footprints at the side of Dinasours. Between 100 and 135 million years old, is that interesting or what.

Modern man/"humans" are thought to have only been around for something like 150,000 to 250,000 years. Our "hominid"/apelike ancestry goes back something like 4-5 million years, so there's no way that man walked with the dinosaurs or that "human" footprints could be 100 and 135 million years old. That's total nonsense.

[Mars_ax]

I've never, at least in my adult life, had any belief in the existence of "god". Gods/religions are man created concepts, designed to "guide" you though life, thanks, but no thanks, I can think just fine for myself.
Take Jesus for example, who if he actually existed (which I don't believe he did) was just a man, no more "special" than billions of other men, past and present.
It may sound pretentious and sacrilegious of me to a Christian, but why would I want to think like Jesus did or pattern my life after a schizophrenic holy-man who's probably a fictive character in a religious novel?

[superheavyrhun]

It matters not to me if you believe or not bro.
It matters that the false religions have innocent people beliving in a God that is vengeful or judgmental.

Both are false. As is the assertion that God is like us.. because of the statment 'God made us in his liking'.

It was meant in its true language that We can become magnificent beings even God like,if we so choose to aim that way.

In regards to people being born with problems or gaining problems in life. There can be a few reasons: First is karmic debt repayments from a past life, two is a self imposed spiritual test or sometimes a rescue of others.
You would be surprised at what levels some very Angelic beings will descend into in order to save another from many lifetimes of karmic debt.
God simply allows all things their time to decide.
That is why we are in such a mess down here, we did it all and we continue to do more of the same, densefing energies further and further inbreeding further and further,against the original recommendations. 'The sins of the fathers visiting on the sons' wasnt a vengeful thing; it meant the truth, that whatever the forefathers did to effect their dna and rna would run through the family lines for a few generations. They even warned about pigs for a good reason way back then, they are genetically very close to us.

I certainly don't have a problem either way when it comes to whether or not someone believes in God, both parents are Christians, but taught me to think for myself, and so far the random accident into evolution theory strikes truer with me than the God made everything, either within or longer than a week.

Also, I don't have any doubt that the sins of the fathers will be visited on their sons is true, after all that's exactly what we're doing with global warming and our continued consumption of fossil fuels. Science, we need you more than ever.

[Kel]

Depends what you define as a god. The bible and all that, is bollocks IMO, talking snakes and all that.......

Higher beings? Yes, I think they exist 100% and have been here plenty of times.

[Andre]

Depends what you define as a god. The bible and all that, is bollocks IMO, talking snakes and all that.......

Higher beings? Yes, I think they exist 100% and have been here plenty of times.

What if one took over a snake for a while and had a little chat with you .

[Scrap]

I agree, just that the evidence has been hidden. Yet 5 years ago, I thought the idea was crazy