Re: Do you ever doubt God's existence?

[Andre]

Ruhn it is misinformation on God and about free will by the ones who wish to take control over others.They will have you in darkness and they will feed off you if allowed to.
Indian givers, excuse the term.

If anyone uses excuses like "It is the will of God" or God moves in mysterious ways" as an excuse for why things occur here on Earth ,then they are covering the real truth they are not coming from the correct direction from within light and love, they dont know God personally they only know of other mans words regarding God and you will find those men always place something or someone in between you and God. That is their works ,that is what they are planting that is what they will reap.

Sorry Andre, even with the misinformation or stories of organised religion, I essentially have two problems that mean I'm agnostic, veering on the side of atheist when it comes to the question of god, and this is essentially comes down to the question of why do bad things happen to good people, and there is no doubt that often the bad things are massive, life-destroying and out of proportion with any transgressions god may perceive. Yes, I know it's simplistic, and a very black and white way to look at things, but the answers I deduce from that question give very little middle ground.

My two possible answers for this are:
a) God is an amoral being who created an universe but doesn't really get involved with the day-to-day running of his creation, and doesn't care about the torments inflicted. If this is the case, then I very much doubt god would be interested in my opinion of him, and whether i try to connect to him or not won't bother Him much either way.
b) There is no god.

I have no doubt there is great comfort and strength to be drawn from belief in god, and a perceived connection with this being, but I cannot bring myself to believe in such a deity.

It matters not to me if you believe or not bro.
It matters that the false religions have innocent people beliving in a God that is vengeful or judgmental.

Both are false. As is the assertion that God is like us.. because of the statment 'God made us in his liking'.

It was meant in its true language that We can become magnificent beings even God like,if we so choose to aim that way.

In regards to people being born with problems or gaining problems in life. There can be a few reasons: First is karmic debt repayments from a past life, two is a self imposed spiritual test or sometimes a rescue of others.
You would be surprised at what levels some very Angelic beings will descend into in order to save another from many lifetimes of karmic debt.
God simply allows all things their time to decide.
That is why we are in such a mess down here, we did it all and we continue to do more of the same, densefing energies further and further inbreeding further and further,against the original recommendations. 'The sins of the fathers visiting on the sons' wasnt a vengeful thing; it meant the truth, that whatever the forefathers did to effect their dna and rna would run through the family lines for a few generations. They even warned about pigs for a good reason way back then, they are genetically very close to us.

[Scrap]

God is old, must be, they in South America dug into a hillside, and found Human Footprints at the side of Dinasours. Between 100 and 135 million years old, is that interesting or what.

[Andre]

God is old, must be, they in South America dug into a hillside, and found Human Footprints at the side of Dinasours. Between 100 and 135 million years old, is that interesting or what.

Bet they were a black skinned race too.

[Scrap]

According to foot size and stride they were 9ft, look it up Forbidden Archeology interesting.

[Andre]

People are probably going to think Ape like neanderthal men with little thought etc, but in some ancient writings; size, skin color, skull shape and size is proportional to which dimensional levels their spirits are evolved to. Higher level beings and all that.
Bigger the heart bigger the carriage needed to tow it around down here, sort of thing.

Prior to us all becoming more materially mentally brain orientated.


Those big dudes carved into the side of the temples and pyramids had heads that shape (long out the back) hundreds of thousands of years ago and were reported to be that actual size, think it was twelve feet or something from memory, not sure.

[:::PSL:::]

I think this thread was created to point out how I misspelled "existence".

[Andre]

"Let there be light."
KAboom! and there was

[Drago]

thing that makes me laugh is when someone says 'oh yeah he is a god fearing man' as if thats a good thing? i mean i dont do thinks because i am scared of god i do it cos its immoral or illegal.

[Drago]

and another thing if i said to someone 'oh by the way god came to my front room to see me last night' everyone would think i was nuts!

[VictorCharlie]

I haven't read this whole thread just perused it but I never doubt the existence of God. But I do believe in a much more abstract idea of God. I don't busy myself trying to fit a supreme maker into a box with metrics. To me the world is so complex and intricate to not believe in an intelligent design. After that I gave up along time ago trying to figure anything else out in regards to religion and spirituality.

[pacfan]

Alright, gentlemen, I'm not going to debate whether God exists or not 'cause I know it will get nowhere. All I can say is that He either exists or not; that makes it 50-50, even. But with an even-steven chance, don't you think it's better to be on the safe side? Nuff of that...

Let's discuss something different but related.

Why is it that at the dawn of civilization, all tribes, as we call them, developed certain rituals or practices mostly religious in nature? For example, why did almost all tribes in the world develop some form of rituals like dancing & chantings? Why did most of them offer sacrifices? And as Adam and Eve had done, why did they start to cover themself and sex suddenly becomes something to be ashamed of? which is contrary to the evolutionary principle of 'let's go and multiply with abandon'?

It's a fact that when people engage in chanting-dancing rituals, which is usually their way to communicate with their Gods, their mind is brought into a sem-trance state or the alpha mode, as scientists classify them according to the brain-wave pattern. It's the same mode as when people go into deep prayer or meditation. But more intriguing is it's the same mode or state of mind when great discoveries were made, taking the classic example of how Isaac Newton discovered his gravity theory:

'...whilst he was musing in a garden it came into his thought that the power of gravity...'

So you see fellas, there is something there when people go into alpha state of mind. The early humans believed it to be the way to communicate with God. The Hindu's and the Buddhist's, and meditators like us believe it's the way to tap into the 'Universal Mind' which is a storehouse of all knowledge of this universe...

[Memphis]

If I built a treehouse for my kids, I'd let them do what they wanted with it within reason. They start breaking it up or fighting with one another over it their ass gets ejected. I wouldnt try and wipe them out with a flood or owt, just a bit of time on the naughty step should do it.

God can do anything, he must have a naughty step?

[pacfan]

Alright, gentlemen, I'm not going to debate whether God exists or not 'cause I know it will get nowhere. All I can say is that He either exists or not; that makes it 50-50, even. But with an even-steven chance, don't you think it's better to be on the safe side? Nuff of that...

Let's discuss something different but related.

Why is it that at the dawn of civilization, all tribes, as we call them, developed certain rituals or practices mostly religious in nature? For example, why did almost all tribes in the world develop some form of rituals like dancing & chantings? Why did most of them offer sacrifices? And as Adam and Eve had done, why did they start to cover themself and sex suddenly becomes something to be ashamed of? which is contrary to the evolutionary principle of 'let's go and multiply with abandon'?

It's a fact that when people engage in chanting-dancing rituals, which is usually their way to communicate with their Gods, their mind is brought into a sem-trance state or the alpha mode, as scientists classify them according to the brain-wave pattern. It's the same mode as when people go into deep prayer or meditation. But more intriguing is it's the same mode or state of mind when great discoveries were made, taking the classic example of how Isaac Newton discovered his gravity theory:

'...whilst he was musing in a garden it came into his thought that the power of gravity...'

So you see fellas, there is something there when people go into alpha state of mind. The early humans believed it to be the way to communicate with God. The Hindu's and the Buddhist's, and meditators like us believe it's the way to tap into the 'Universal Mind' which is a storehouse of all knowledge of this universe...

...Pak Fung asked God, 'why are hiding?
why do you not show Yourself unto mankind?'
God replied, 'I conceal Myself so that you
may learn to use the most precious gift
I gave you, the most potent instrument
to solve all you problems.'
Then, Pak Fung asked, what is this potent gift?'
God replied, 'Faith.'..

...where was I.. ah, yes...
so obviously, since the dawn of civilization, when man's eyes of knowledge was opened, so to speak, one of the first thing he did was to believe and worship God, and therefore, it is a fact that belief in God was almost intinctive in early human civilization. But the big question is why? There is a reason for everything in this world, but, even without regards to whether God exist or not, why did human beings at the dawn of civilzation worship God(s) in some form? Why was manking planted with the seed of religion from its earliest days. There must be a reason for that and that is the question...

(btw, I don't answer scoffs, I answer them with grunts privately, though. Okay, fellas keep your sense of humor and keep your cool. That first one to lose his cool loses...)

[Dark Lord Al]

i have never doubted gods existance ,
ive always thought he is fiction.

[Beanz]

No I don't ever doubt God's existence. I am 100% convinced he does not exist. I do not doubt this fact, I do not question it. I would find it a massive hindrance in living a good life to constantly ruminate on the unintelligible and the unprovable. I find even the concept of allocating any importance or time to the worshipping of, or the communion with, a non-existent entity quite baffling. I am also often offended by the view of those that believe in God, that atheists, are some how less spiritual or incapable of living a fully realised and meaningful life. For me the reality of a limited existence, for a finite period of time, on a randomly populated planet,due to a chance collision of DNA material from two similarly randomly occurring individuals makes this opportunity much more awe inspiring. How can you have more reverence for everything around you and feel more inspired by it when you live in a mythical bubble that disconnects you from it. Every second spent on unverifiable speculation is a second wasted. So no, personally I do not spend a nanosecond on doubting God's existence,I consider his absence to be irrefutable and carry on.