Kelly pavlik vs Carl froch

[Rantcatrat]

this is turning into yet another froch bashing thread

froch is a quality world class fighter who undoubtable deserves to be top 10 pound for pound in the world at the moment

even if froch wins the super 6 and then goes on to beat hopkins or whoever at light heavy and then wins the heavyweight title and then becomes king of England people will always have excuses

well Ward was past his best in the final and he was always overrated anyway, and hopkins had finally become an old man when they fought and his pet rabbit had just died so he was emotional, and the klits saw a mouse

cummon lads, like him or not just admit it, he is a top notch quality fighter

Just so you know where I stand, erics44, I believe Froch is rated where he should be. To me, his stock went down when he lost to Kessler. I understand that it was close, but Kessler is a fight Froch should have won, but didn't. He should be undefeated int he tournament right now. Thus, I rank him lower than Ward. And although he hasn't fought the same level of competition as Froch, I like Bute's potential more than Froch's. I have it Ward, Bute, and then Froch in order for the division.

[Cressa121]

this is turning into yet another froch bashing thread

froch is a quality world class fighter who undoubtable deserves to be top 10 pound for pound in the world at the moment

even if froch wins the super 6 and then goes on to beat hopkins or whoever at light heavy and then wins the heavyweight title and then becomes king of England people will always have excuses

well Ward was past his best in the final and he was always overrated anyway, and hopkins had finally become an old man when they fought and his pet rabbit had just died so he was emotional, and the klits saw a mouse

cummon lads, like him or not just admit it, he is a top notch quality fighter

Just so you know where I stand, erics44, I believe Froch is rated where he should be. To me, his stock went down when he lost to Kessler. I understand that it was close, but Kessler is a fight Froch should have won, but didn't. He should be undefeated int he tournament right now. Thus, I rank him lower than Ward. And although he hasn't fought the same level of competition as Froch, I like Bute's potential more than Froch's. I have it Ward, Bute, and then Froch in order for the division.

I agree with most of this, though I have Froch above Bute because of the level of his competition. Bute's should improve with the move to Showtime and the Super Six winding down so a better calibre of opponents will begin to become available. I understand why people like Bute as a fighter and thus rate him higher than Froch because his skills are unquestionable, but his comp isn't there yet for me to rate him above Froch. A Bute-Froch fight is something I'd really like to see, I think it would be an excellent fight and would a really tough one to call. Hopefully it's something we may see at the back end of 2011/early 2012

[erics44]

this is turning into yet another froch bashing thread

froch is a quality world class fighter who undoubtable deserves to be top 10 pound for pound in the world at the moment

even if froch wins the super 6 and then goes on to beat hopkins or whoever at light heavy and then wins the heavyweight title and then becomes king of England people will always have excuses

well Ward was past his best in the final and he was always overrated anyway, and hopkins had finally become an old man when they fought and his pet rabbit had just died so he was emotional, and the klits saw a mouse

cummon lads, like him or not just admit it, he is a top notch quality fighter

Just so you know where I stand, erics44, I believe Froch is rated where he should be. To me, his stock went down when he lost to Kessler. I understand that it was close, but Kessler is a fight Froch should have won, but didn't. He should be undefeated int he tournament right now. Thus, I rank him lower than Ward. And although he hasn't fought the same level of competition as Froch, I like Bute's potential more than Froch's. I have it Ward, Bute, and then Froch in order for the division.

perhaps it is your opinion that bute is better than froch but there is nothing to suggest that bute could be above him in any ranking system

Ward perhaps could be higher than froch purely from the kessler fights, that win over kessler aside Ward doesnt have a record as good as froch