Haye vs rjj who wins?

[Fenster]

Jones. Easily potshot the shit out of Haye for twelve rounds.

Same thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.

Haye smashed to bits the only heavyweight Roy ever fought. You need a rethink.

Haye smashed to bits an ancient semi-retired version of a never particularly good Ruiz. It was a little bit like Calzaghe beating up on an ancient Roy Jones Jr. Ruiz was a shot fighter, but unlike Jones was never particularly good to begin with.

Haye hasn't won a meaningful fight at HW IMO, I really think Holyfield beat Valuev far more impressively than Haye did.

Right, so using your logic Roy has never fought a decent heavyweight either, so considering he's a 5'10, natural lightheavyweight who is totally unproven at heavyweight, it's stretching it a bit to think he could deal with a 6'3, naturally 30lbs heavier KO artist.

I mean if Lou DelValle can floor Roy then imagine what happens if Haye hits him. Frightening. Roy will be unconcious from a semi-clip. It's just logical. Fact.

[Master]

The heavyweight version of Roy Jones would not be able to beat Haye. I know people think Haye is a waste of space, but he would beat Roy. Haye is a more natural heavyweight and would eventually catch Roy.

[Gandalf]

Jones. Easily potshot the shit out of Haye for twelve rounds.

Same thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.

Haye smashed to bits the only heavyweight Roy ever fought. You need a rethink.

Haye smashed to bits an ancient semi-retired version of a never particularly good Ruiz. It was a little bit like Calzaghe beating up on an ancient Roy Jones Jr. Ruiz was a shot fighter, but unlike Jones was never particularly good to begin with.

Haye hasn't won a meaningful fight at HW IMO, I really think Holyfield beat Valuev far more impressively than Haye did.

Right, so using your logic Roy has never fought a decent heavyweight either, so considering he's a 5'10, natural lightheavyweight who is totally unproven at heavyweight, it's stretching it a bit to think he could deal with a 6'3, naturally 30lbs heavier KO artist.

I mean if Lou DelValle can floor Roy then imagine what happens if Haye hits him. Frightening. Roy will be unconcious from a semi-clip. It's just logical. Fact.

The Jones Jr of several years ago was able to beat Ruiz without breaking a sweat. It's a possibility that Jones gets knocked out, but it's also quite possible that Jones outworks him for a decision. I am not sold on Haye as a HW and the Jones of yesteryear was quicker and seldom took a flush shot. Not saying your wrong as this is boxing, but Jones with all his speed and movement would be a tough fight for Haye.

[Master]

One fight at heavyweight against Ruiz, does not make you a good heavyweight. A snail could make Ruiz look quick.

[Gandalf]

One fight at heavyweight against Ruiz, does not make you a good heavyweight. A snail could make Ruiz look quick.

Haye has only a few fights against mediocre heavyweights himself. He isn't even a fully sized heavyweight as his weigh in against Harrison showed. Beating a couple of journey men and winning a paper belt against the worst champ does not make Haye a good HW. We are all dismissing Jones based on what has happened since he went back down after trimming the muscle against Ruiz. Before then Jones Jr was still the best fighter in the world. Haye is not as quick as Jones and has stamina issues. Jones would pot shot and move and frustrate Haye. Sure, Haye might get lucky and spark him out, but few people landed clean on Jones back then.