Let's re-examine Mayweather vs. Mosley for a sec.....

[TitoFan]

Taeth, Shane Mosley is an extremely old man in boxing terms, could it not be just that Mosley is old? He looked crap prior to Margarito and has looked crap since. Could it not simply be that he waits too long and cannot pull on the trigger? The man is 40 years old for christs sake.

Let's not pretend that a 30 year old Mosley could not have competed merrily with Floyd, he could have, but the shell that we have today has nothing. Even Oscar fought far better against Floyd. Mosley was breathing heavy against Cotto after 3 rounds, he did the same against Mayweather. It has nothing to do with adapting, Mosley is old.

If Mosley could somehow stop Pac in his tracks I will rejoice, but let's not pretend that Mosley at 40 offers anything different.

Yeah... Mosley IS old. I hate that too, miles, 'cause I too like him a lot. He's always been a classy good guy in the world of boxing. Has given us a lot of exciting fights as well. We tend to think that, because the fat cows of the heavyweight division fight into their 50's, that other divisions can do that as well. But it's just not true. We try to hang on to our heroes and make believe age doesn't affect them... but deep inside we know better.

It angers me, they could have fought Mosley 3 years ago. But only now do they fight him. I've got many fights wrong before, but I really hope that this is another. This more than most.

Are you talking about Pac? 'Cause remember, he's only recently been coming up in weight. No way Pac fights Mosley 3 years ago. If you mean Floyd... then yeah, that fight could've happened a long time ago, and the results could've been MUCH different... in Mosley's favor, of course.

[Gandalf]

Taeth, Shane Mosley is an extremely old man in boxing terms, could it not be just that Mosley is old? He looked crap prior to Margarito and has looked crap since. Could it not simply be that he waits too long and cannot pull on the trigger? The man is 40 years old for christs sake.

Let's not pretend that a 30 year old Mosley could not have competed merrily with Floyd, he could have, but the shell that we have today has nothing. Even Oscar fought far better against Floyd. Mosley was breathing heavy against Cotto after 3 rounds, he did the same against Mayweather. It has nothing to do with adapting, Mosley is old.

If Mosley could somehow stop Pac in his tracks I will rejoice, but let's not pretend that Mosley at 40 offers anything different.

Yeah... Mosley IS old. I hate that too, miles, 'cause I too like him a lot. He's always been a classy good guy in the world of boxing. Has given us a lot of exciting fights as well. We tend to think that, because the fat cows of the heavyweight division fight into their 50's, that other divisions can do that as well. But it's just not true. We try to hang on to our heroes and make believe age doesn't affect them... but deep inside we know better.

It angers me, they could have fought Mosley 3 years ago. But only now do they fight him. I've got many fights wrong before, but I really hope that this is another. This more than most.

Are you talking about Pac? 'Cause remember, he's only recently been coming up in weight. No way Pac fights Mosley 3 years ago. If you mean Floyd... then yeah, that fight could've happened a long time ago, and the results could've been MUCH different... in Mosley's favor, of course.

Roach did suggest that the Pac/Mosley fight could happen but only if Mosley came down to a wondrous weight of 142 pounds. A long time ago, and of course Roach never wanted Manny to go anywhere near Mosley at the time.

[Master]

After those right hands Mayweather was forced to fight at his best. When he fights at his best, no body comes close and he won the next 10 rounds with absolute brilliance. In fact those right hands probably did enough to save Shane being stopped later on because Floyd wanted to but those shots must have taken a lot to recover from and Floyd probably did not have it to step it up a little to stop Shane later on.

[Cressa121]

I saw a good video that broke down the adjustments Mayweather made after the 2nd round. Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance. After Mayweather was hurt, Mosley shot his load trying to follow up and Mayweather landed some sneaky bodyshots to further take the wind out of him. Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook, which stopped Mosley throwing/landing the right hand again. Couple that with Mosley's age (i.e being shot) and that's why he didn't follow up. Nothing really suspicious about it imo.

I hope Mosley does well against Pacquiao, I really don't want to see him take a one sided beating and possibly get stopped. At the minute that's how I see it going, but I would love to be wrong so we get a competitive fight.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook,

I'm glad someone else noticed this. I remember Mosley trying to jab down stairs in round three and getting hit with a three punch combination.

Truth be told, I actually thought Floyd was being cashed in, I mean Floyd was getting punked in his dressing room and his entrance was a disastrous flop. I figured HBO were giving him the cold shoulder

[Ant Live]

Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook,

I'm glad someone else noticed this. I remember Mosley trying to jab down stairs in round three and getting hit with a three punch combination.

Truth be told, I actually thought Floyd was being cashed in, I mean Floyd was getting punked in his dressing room and his entrance was a disastrous flop. I figured HBO were giving him the cold shoulder

Mayweather also fought inside at times. Throwing Mosley off just a little to make him adjust. Then he jab him for about a while.
Losing to Mayweather, do anyone think that Naz will be a bigger and better factor in this fight against Pacman? It seems to me that Naz wanted Shane's speed to throw Mayweather's speed off. Then it was obvious that he wanted Shane to be more active. But against Pacman, he's going to need a gameplan. And a backup plan! And that's what Naz do. He come up with a gameplan for a victory. Shane also said he didn't listen to Naz. I'd always picked Shane to defeat Pacman. But gave him no chance against Mayweather. Style makes fights.

BTW, for the poster that said Shane hurt Floyd to the body, wrong!!! The idea was to make Floyd drop his hands. The same gameplan Floyd uses on his opponents.

[albsur2006]

I saw a good video that broke down the adjustments Mayweather made after the 2nd round. Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance. After Mayweather was hurt, Mosley shot his load trying to follow up and Mayweather landed some sneaky bodyshots to further take the wind out of him. Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook, which stopped Mosley throwing/landing the right hand again. Couple that with Mosley's age (i.e being shot) and that's why he didn't follow up. Nothing really suspicious about it imo.

I hope Mosley does well against Pacquiao, I really don't want to see him take a one sided beating and possibly get stopped. At the minute that's how I see it going, but I would love to be wrong so we get a competitive fight.

That's actually a great assessment of what happened. Mosley didn't hurt Mayweather to the body, he simply shot a left jab to the body to bring Floyd's guard down (which happened) and then went over the top with a right hand that Floyd wasn't taking too seriously. Floyd actually was wanting to fight that fight and wasn't moving like usual when he got caught. Once Floyd shook off the stun, he recognized that he needed to take Shane seriously as a boxer and corrected his mistakes. Also, great catch on the bodywork. Mayweather put in some SERIOUS bodywork on Shane, it's just that he's not a flashy body puncher like Cotto, he's a very effective and UNDERRATED body puncher. Shane was gassed by the fifth due to his age coupled with the bodywork and he started focusing on his stamina instead of trying to figure out another way in.

[Cressa121]

Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance.

That's actually a great assessment of what happened. Mosley didn't hurt Mayweather to the body, he simply shot a left jab to the body to bring Floyd's guard down (which happened) and then went over the top with a right hand that Floyd wasn't taking too seriously.

I worded the above part of my original post poorly. I didn't mean to suggest the body shot hurt Mayweather, I meant to say what I've emboldened from your post, that the right hand that hurt Mayweather was set up by the left to the body, as it brought his guard down.

[fan johnny]

Or perhaps what you saw were the affects of Mosley being off the EPO?

[Mr140]

I am a huge Mosley fan but lets face it he relied on his god given ability to much. Thats the reason he never became a complete boxer and the only reason he not like Jones is because of his chin.

[Beanflicker]

This is what I REALLY hate about a lot of boxing/fight fans. They will see Mosley downright destroy Margarito, and will be SHOCKED when he can't do the same thing to a COMPLETELY different fighter. And then when he doesn't do it, its "Oh what happened? There must be something wrong with Mosley!" They say "Oh well if only Mosley THREW MORE PUNCHES he would have won! Why didn't he just do to Floyd what he did to Margarito? I don't get it!".

Not once does the thought occur that maybe Floyd is harder to tag than Margarito is? Maybe just "throwing punches" is not the greatest thing to do against one of the greatest defensive counter punchers the game has ever seen?

Is it possible that Mosley's lack of punch output was due to Floyd being VERY fast, VERY elusive, and Mosley being wary of Floyd's countering ability?

Or is it more believable that a guy like Mosley, who's been in the game his whole life and has held world titles in multiple weight divisions, gassed out after 1 round in the biggest fight of his life?

[Master]

Agreed, he could not touch Floyd after round 3. Awesome performance.

[TitoFan]

This is what I REALLY hate about a lot of boxing/fight fans. They will see Mosley downright destroy Margarito, and will be SHOCKED when he can't do the same thing to a COMPLETELY different fighter. And then when he doesn't do it, its "Oh what happened? There must be something wrong with Mosley!" They say "Oh well if only Mosley THREW MORE PUNCHES he would have won! Why didn't he just do to Floyd what he did to Margarito? I don't get it!".

Not once does the thought occur that maybe Floyd is harder to tag than Margarito is? Maybe just "throwing punches" is not the greatest thing to do against one of the greatest defensive counter punchers the game has ever seen?

Is it possible that Mosley's lack of punch output was due to Floyd being VERY fast, VERY elusive, and Mosley being wary of Floyd's countering ability?

Or is it more believable that a guy like Mosley, who's been in the game his whole life and has held world titles in multiple weight divisions, gassed out after 1 round in the biggest fight of his life?

You're giving Floyd way too much credit. As different as Margarito is from Floyd, it's also a fact that Mosley has been on the decline as of late. Age is catching up to him. Look at the Sergio Mora fight. Or are you suggesting that Mosley was at his peak when he fought Floyd? He was on the decline. Stage the same fight a few years earlier, and you have a more competitive fight. And BTW, this kinda points out one of the criticisms leveled against PBF in recent years. He fights undersized, or over-the-hill fighters. He's not a risk taker. Being undefeated is probably the worst thing that could have happened to his career, oddly as that sounds. It has kept him from going out there and taking on all comers, without having a frigging "0" to take care of. Of course, Floyd fans will never see it this way, 'cause they're too blinded by all the hype surrounding the guy. He's a great talent to be sure, and probably one of the best of all time. But he's hurting his own legacy by carrying on his career as he has been doing. And time's running out. He needs some "shut-the-critics-up" fights NOW, before his own skills start to erode. Or else he's gonna end up lower in the ATG totem pole than he should be.

[Ant Live]

Watch Mayweather vs JMM round 2. JMM hit Floyd with the same punch Shane hit Floyd with. Of course more power. But did I just find a flaw?

Should this be another thread?
Name Mayweather's flaws!

[0james0]

Let's not forget that Mosley also had a fight after Mayweather. How did that one go? It went the way you would expect for an aged fighter

Mosley is done, he showed it in the Mayweather fight and this fight aganst Pac will be his retirment fight