Let's re-examine Mayweather vs. Mosley for a sec.....

[Beanflicker]

This is what I REALLY hate about a lot of boxing/fight fans. They will see Mosley downright destroy Margarito, and will be SHOCKED when he can't do the same thing to a COMPLETELY different fighter. And then when he doesn't do it, its "Oh what happened? There must be something wrong with Mosley!" They say "Oh well if only Mosley THREW MORE PUNCHES he would have won! Why didn't he just do to Floyd what he did to Margarito? I don't get it!".

Not once does the thought occur that maybe Floyd is harder to tag than Margarito is? Maybe just "throwing punches" is not the greatest thing to do against one of the greatest defensive counter punchers the game has ever seen?

Is it possible that Mosley's lack of punch output was due to Floyd being VERY fast, VERY elusive, and Mosley being wary of Floyd's countering ability?

Or is it more believable that a guy like Mosley, who's been in the game his whole life and has held world titles in multiple weight divisions, gassed out after 1 round in the biggest fight of his life?

[Master]

Agreed, he could not touch Floyd after round 3. Awesome performance.

[TitoFan]

This is what I REALLY hate about a lot of boxing/fight fans. They will see Mosley downright destroy Margarito, and will be SHOCKED when he can't do the same thing to a COMPLETELY different fighter. And then when he doesn't do it, its "Oh what happened? There must be something wrong with Mosley!" They say "Oh well if only Mosley THREW MORE PUNCHES he would have won! Why didn't he just do to Floyd what he did to Margarito? I don't get it!".

Not once does the thought occur that maybe Floyd is harder to tag than Margarito is? Maybe just "throwing punches" is not the greatest thing to do against one of the greatest defensive counter punchers the game has ever seen?

Is it possible that Mosley's lack of punch output was due to Floyd being VERY fast, VERY elusive, and Mosley being wary of Floyd's countering ability?

Or is it more believable that a guy like Mosley, who's been in the game his whole life and has held world titles in multiple weight divisions, gassed out after 1 round in the biggest fight of his life?

You're giving Floyd way too much credit. As different as Margarito is from Floyd, it's also a fact that Mosley has been on the decline as of late. Age is catching up to him. Look at the Sergio Mora fight. Or are you suggesting that Mosley was at his peak when he fought Floyd? He was on the decline. Stage the same fight a few years earlier, and you have a more competitive fight. And BTW, this kinda points out one of the criticisms leveled against PBF in recent years. He fights undersized, or over-the-hill fighters. He's not a risk taker. Being undefeated is probably the worst thing that could have happened to his career, oddly as that sounds. It has kept him from going out there and taking on all comers, without having a frigging "0" to take care of. Of course, Floyd fans will never see it this way, 'cause they're too blinded by all the hype surrounding the guy. He's a great talent to be sure, and probably one of the best of all time. But he's hurting his own legacy by carrying on his career as he has been doing. And time's running out. He needs some "shut-the-critics-up" fights NOW, before his own skills start to erode. Or else he's gonna end up lower in the ATG totem pole than he should be.

[Beanflicker]

Well to be fair Mosley wasn't in his peak when he fought Marg, either. People were saying he was washed up 6 or 7 years ago when he was getting embarrassed by Winky Wright. It wasn't prime Mosley, but it was a very capable and dangerous Mosley. It was a Mosley that all the Floyd haters were rallying behind, saying that "Oh now Floyd's in trouble, he's fighting someone who's just as fast as him and has more power!".

The fact of the matter is, Floyd got caught BIG, but just like he has in every single fight he has had in which he faced adversity (excluding the first JLC fight, which I thought he lost), he made the necessary adjustments and took total control.

So you can hate Mayweather, thats fine and dandy. But if you're going to be one of those people that says "Oh if only Mosley had kept punching/didn't gas out" or "If only Hatton was allowed more time to fight inside" or "If only DLH was 5 years younger when they fought", ect ect ect, then IMO you're going to look foolish.

Floyd is 41-0 for a reason. Great fighters find ways to win. Don't act like he has a horse shoe up his ass and his record is the result of all his opponents suffering various misfortunes before or during the fight. Floyd is a terror to fight against.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook,

I'm glad someone else noticed this. I remember Mosley trying to jab down stairs in round three and getting hit with a three punch combination.

Truth be told, I actually thought Floyd was being cashed in, I mean Floyd was getting punked in his dressing room and his entrance was a disastrous flop. I figured HBO were giving him the cold shoulder

[Dropanuke]

take the age difference into consideration mate, remember u rnt goin 2 outbox floyd unless he is past his best mosley v floyd fight came down 2 condition only, Shanes trainin isn't to box 12 rounds where as floyd don't want a ko, he wants 2 dominate unlike manny who wants tko & not ko! Floyd will not lose unless past his best & I'm not a floyd fan,I'm a froch fan as he has heart, will, determination & the ability to win combined with power, chin and stamina calzaghe wishes for! And I love calzaghe

[TitoFan]

Well to be fair Mosley wasn't in his peak when he fought Marg, either. People were saying he was washed up 6 or 7 years ago when he was getting embarrassed by Winky Wright. It wasn't prime Mosley, but it was a very capable and dangerous Mosley. It was a Mosley that all the Floyd haters were rallying behind, saying that "Oh now Floyd's in trouble, he's fighting someone who's just as fast as him and has more power!".

The fact of the matter is, Floyd got caught BIG, but just like he has in every single fight he has had in which he faced adversity (excluding the first JLC fight, which I thought he lost), he made the necessary adjustments and took total control.

So you can hate Mayweather, thats fine and dandy. But if you're going to be one of those people that says "Oh if only Mosley had kept punching/didn't gas out" or "If only Hatton was allowed more time to fight inside" or "If only DLH was 5 years younger when they fought", ect ect ect, then IMO you're going to look foolish.

Floyd is 41-0 for a reason. Great fighters find ways to win. Don't act like he has a horse shoe up his ass and his record is the result of all his opponents suffering various misfortunes before or during the fight. Floyd is a terror to fight against.

Fair enough. But if you know anything about me... you know I'll NEVER say two of the three examples you gave. LOL!

[Ant Live]

Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook,

I'm glad someone else noticed this. I remember Mosley trying to jab down stairs in round three and getting hit with a three punch combination.

Truth be told, I actually thought Floyd was being cashed in, I mean Floyd was getting punked in his dressing room and his entrance was a disastrous flop. I figured HBO were giving him the cold shoulder

Mayweather also fought inside at times. Throwing Mosley off just a little to make him adjust. Then he jab him for about a while.
Losing to Mayweather, do anyone think that Naz will be a bigger and better factor in this fight against Pacman? It seems to me that Naz wanted Shane's speed to throw Mayweather's speed off. Then it was obvious that he wanted Shane to be more active. But against Pacman, he's going to need a gameplan. And a backup plan! And that's what Naz do. He come up with a gameplan for a victory. Shane also said he didn't listen to Naz. I'd always picked Shane to defeat Pacman. But gave him no chance against Mayweather. Style makes fights.

BTW, for the poster that said Shane hurt Floyd to the body, wrong!!! The idea was to make Floyd drop his hands. The same gameplan Floyd uses on his opponents.

[Ant Live]

Watch Mayweather vs JMM round 2. JMM hit Floyd with the same punch Shane hit Floyd with. Of course more power. But did I just find a flaw?

Should this be another thread?
Name Mayweather's flaws!

[0james0]

Let's not forget that Mosley also had a fight after Mayweather. How did that one go? It went the way you would expect for an aged fighter

Mosley is done, he showed it in the Mayweather fight and this fight aganst Pac will be his retirment fight

[Ant Live]

Let's not forget that Mosley also had a fight after Mayweather. How did that one go? It went the way you would expect for an aged fighter

Mosley is done, he showed it in the Mayweather fight and this fight aganst Pac will be his retirment fight

Mayweather outboxed Mosley. Plain and simple. The age factor came in Shane head when he fought the best boxer in the world. The Mora fight was a nasty fight. Mora style was not good for Mosley. Shane is not a chaser. Mora did make that fight look bad. Now if you bring up the Mayorga fight in which IMO, Shane looked very old. And got lucky the ref didn't force him back to the corner to possibly go to the cards.

[Gandalf]

Let's not forget that Mosley also had a fight after Mayweather. How did that one go? It went the way you would expect for an aged fighter

Mosley is done, he showed it in the Mayweather fight and this fight aganst Pac will be his retirment fight

Mayweather outboxed Mosley. Plain and simple. The age factor came in Shane head when he fought the best boxer in the world. The Mora fight was a nasty fight. Mora style was not good for Mosley. Shane is not a chaser. Mora did make that fight look bad. Now if you bring up the Mayorga fight in which IMO, Shane looked very old. And got lucky the ref didn't force him back to the corner to possibly go to the cards.

Totally, Mayorga was VERY unlucky to get stopped against Shane. Mosley didn't go to his corner and was allowed to just jump in and land the homerun. If that didn't happen then Mosley would have just about squeaked out a SD win.

[GAME]

I dont think its as simple as Mosley gassing against Floyd. If he was gassed he wouldnt have been able to do another 10 rounds with the best fighter on the planet. He temporarily punched himself out after trying to finish Floyd and after that he was just technically out his depth. He would have always struggled with Floyds style. Just as he would have always struggled with Moras style. He looked washed up vs Mayorga too and he was outboxed by Cotto so nothings new. Some styles bring the best out in him and others dont. I cant see much has changed since the Margarito fight. He has got older but he is still the same guy and loves to fight guys who come at him like Pac will. He expected to lose to Marg aswel when he was considered an unstoppable monster but look what happend. Marg was the only guy willing to take the fight to Shane. Nobody else dared try that. Pac will.

Remember Roach never wanted this fight. Arum chose Shane. Roach has always known Mosley is a problem stylistically for Pac. Nasim will devise a strategy for this fight which will bring the best out in Mosley. Mannys built up a rep fighting guys like Marg and Clottey, Oscar etc but has never met anyone who can do what Shane can. Im not saying Shane will win but its not the fight people are expecting. They are writing off Shane after his last two fights but the point is Shane would always struggle with those guys. Mayweather was all wrong for him and always has been and always will be. Maybe in his youth he would have had the energy to finish Floyd in that 2nd round but on the outside he always comes off 2nd best. He looked like trash for a couple years now but this is a different fight and a different style but same Shane. Same fighter who got owned by Floyd and same one who destroyed Marg. Whos does Pacs style resemble most?

[albsur2006]

I saw a good video that broke down the adjustments Mayweather made after the 2nd round. Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance. After Mayweather was hurt, Mosley shot his load trying to follow up and Mayweather landed some sneaky bodyshots to further take the wind out of him. Every time Mosley went for that same left to the body right to the head combination again, Mayweather would counter Mosley's left with a left hook, which stopped Mosley throwing/landing the right hand again. Couple that with Mosley's age (i.e being shot) and that's why he didn't follow up. Nothing really suspicious about it imo.

I hope Mosley does well against Pacquiao, I really don't want to see him take a one sided beating and possibly get stopped. At the minute that's how I see it going, but I would love to be wrong so we get a competitive fight.

That's actually a great assessment of what happened. Mosley didn't hurt Mayweather to the body, he simply shot a left jab to the body to bring Floyd's guard down (which happened) and then went over the top with a right hand that Floyd wasn't taking too seriously. Floyd actually was wanting to fight that fight and wasn't moving like usual when he got caught. Once Floyd shook off the stun, he recognized that he needed to take Shane seriously as a boxer and corrected his mistakes. Also, great catch on the bodywork. Mayweather put in some SERIOUS bodywork on Shane, it's just that he's not a flashy body puncher like Cotto, he's a very effective and UNDERRATED body puncher. Shane was gassed by the fifth due to his age coupled with the bodywork and he started focusing on his stamina instead of trying to figure out another way in.

[Cressa121]

Mosley hurt Mayweather with the left to the body followed by a right hand to the head, as Mayweather was open to that combination through his normal defensive stance.

That's actually a great assessment of what happened. Mosley didn't hurt Mayweather to the body, he simply shot a left jab to the body to bring Floyd's guard down (which happened) and then went over the top with a right hand that Floyd wasn't taking too seriously.

I worded the above part of my original post poorly. I didn't mean to suggest the body shot hurt Mayweather, I meant to say what I've emboldened from your post, that the right hand that hurt Mayweather was set up by the left to the body, as it brought his guard down.