Who will have the greater legacy Morales or Barrera

[GAME]

Imo he did beat Jones in the rematch but didnt get the decision
He avenged the Morales loss officially ( if you can call it a loss )
and I think before he retires he'l take on and beat Pac

There was no redemption in any of the Morales fights. They were three very close fights in which either fighter could of won any of the three. For the record I had it 3-0 MAB, but each fight, by two points or less

I am a MAB fan, but even I cannot say MAB won the Jones rematch with a straight face... even if you had it fairly close,the point deduction for Barrera, comfirms Junior Jones' win IMO.

One of the judges scored a round 10-8 for Barrera even without a knock down , which was a sign of how much he was dominating .

I also scored it 3- 0 against Morales

[B@rr3r@]

Great List CC!

BUT

If you say he didnt avenge losses, and you need to do that to be a great, Why is Oscar and Pernell Whittaker there?

(they are great I might add but they didnt avenge losses. Albeit Pernell was finished, but Oscar twice to Moseley, albeit again controversial, but still in the record books he lost, so in your words earlier, how can he be a great?)

[SimonH]

Great List CC!

BUT

If you say he didnt avenge losses, and you need to do that to be a great, Why is Oscar and Pernell Whittaker there?

(they are great I might add but they didnt avenge losses. Albeit Pernell was finished, but Oscar twice to Moseley, albeit again controversial, but still in the record books he lost, so in your words earlier, how can he be a great?)

Whitaker revenged the Ramirez defeat.

Oscar de la Hoya/Mosley were two excellent bouts, Mosley sneaked the first, DLH won the second

To be less flippant...

Redemption is not the only quality, all I ask is fighters show the quality. Whitaker showed it by rising from knockdowns to beat Mayweather and Vazquez, and showing despite being way past his best, he can compete with a de la Hoya.

de la Hoya has shown time and again you write him off at your own peril. He was meant to be the Golden Boy when he went the Olympics, and he has lived up to hype. Very few fighters can do that, indeed post 70 perhaps only Ray Leonard and Oscar have. I know the likes of Breland, Banks, Reid and Tarver have all failed, quite badly.

de la Hoya had the sort pressure on him from day one, that perhaps MAB only felt when he fought Junior Jones and the Mexicans were hoping he could become the new Chavez...

[B@rr3r@]

No Oscar lost Both

Check the record books....

And Pernell to Tito and Oscar?

[SimonH]

One of the judges scored a round 10-8 for Barrera even without a knock down , which was a sign of how much he was dominating .

I also scored it 3- 0 against Morales

What are talking about MAB/Jones or MAB/Morales?

I do not remember MAB winning a round 10/8 against Jones, he may of sneak one 10/8 in possibly the first Morales fight. But like I said, I had MAB winning all three fights anyway.

[SimonH]

No Oscar lost Both

Check the record books....

I do not think we have debated before

means tongue in cheek... Normally

[B@rr3r@]

But he lost....

He didnt avenge the defeates, on his record, which your record is key to being a great, he lost twice to Moseley

And trinidad, but dont get me started, it makes me sad

[Violent Demise]

Morales will have the greatest legacy. Barrera losses to Jones and Pac stand out. Morales holds a win over Pac and he destroyed Jones. The 3 fights were all close. But I personally had it 2-0-1 for Morales.

[SimonH]

But he lost....

He didnt avenge the defeates, on his record, which your record is key to being a great, he lost twice to Moseley

And trinidad, but dont get me started, it makes me sad

But that is the point, the record books show one thing, your eyes another.

And as anyones all-time list is a matter of opinion, you are perfectly entitled to put your own opinion into interpreting fight results, to create your list.

[B@rr3r@]

But I personally had it 2-0-1 for Morales.

What fights were you watching!

[Violent Demise]

But I personally had it 2-0-1 for Morales.

What fights were you watching!

The third fight should of been a draw. And how you can score the second fight for Marco after he ran for the first 6 rounds is beyond me.

[B@rr3r@]

But I personally had it 2-0-1 for Morales.

What fights were you watching!

The third fight should of been a draw. And how you can score the second fight for Marco after he ran for the first 6 rounds is beyond me.

I AM BEYOND YOU!





No really, this is the thing you see, everyone maons about people being robbed, but in different fights people see different things.

Like I think Oscar was robbed against trinidad, others dont.

I think Hatton beat Collazo, others dont.

All opinion


OH BK!

I never looked at it that way, your right, I mean to me Oscar beat moseley and Trinidad, but I guess your right, no-one can take Barrera being a great away from me!

I would CC ya but I did an hour ago

[GAME]

One of the judges scored a round 10-8 for Barrera even without a knock down , which was a sign of how much he was dominating .

I also scored it 3- 0 against Morales

What are talking about MAB/Jones or MAB/Morales?

I do not remember MAB winning a round 10/8 against Jones, he may of sneak one 10/8 in possibly the first Morales fight. But like I said, I had MAB winning all three fights anyway.

Im talking about Mab - Jones . One of the judges scored a round 10-8 to Barrera when he didnt score a knockdown .

He also had a 10-8 round against Morales in the 1st fight ( round 12 )

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Barerra. If he beats Juarez

[Bookkeeper]

Barerra is the higher profile fighter...He has been fighting the elite longer than Morales....If Morales does win the trilogy against Pac it wont make his legacy better than Barerras it will just increase Morales...If he loses it will just add to Pac's...( if that makes any sense...few things in boxing do these days )...Also Barerra never lost to someone the caliber of Raheem....Fans can be very unforgiving your losses at times are more important than your wins

You must have forgot about Junior Jones