Main Reason there was no Ali-Foreman II?

[nikola_ganchev]

johnsebastianmiran

Re: Main Reason there was no Ali-Foreman II?
Just for the record I am and always was an Ali fan but the simple truth is that Foreman still needed a little more experience and he was huffing and puffing in his first career because not too many guys could avoid his punishing blows. All he needed to do was calm down and do more roadwork. He never saw more than a few late rounds but he was knocking everyone out and Ali revealed this flaw the first time. Imagine if Dundee was Foreman's trainer instead.

I don't know what benefits will a chearleader bring to Forman

[donnydarkoIRL]

George claimed that Ali ruined him psychologically in that documentary where Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Norton and George sat together and broke bread.
Said he attributed the losses to Young etc. to Ali's demolition of his psyche

[Ant Live]

When a bully gets bullied, he don't wanna fight anymore.
If they would have fought a 2nd time, Ali would have had another gameplan himself. Was Foreman's jab better the Ali's jab? We certainly know Ali was quicker.
IMO, Ali would have stopped Foreman on his stool.

[porkypara]

Simple reason is Forman did not want the fight.

Ali spoke a few times about fighting Forman again but Forman did not want to know.

[CFH]

I've watched/read Foreman talking about his psychological condition in the aftermath of his loss and I actually think Ali would have handed him a one-sided beating if they fought again because of his mental state. His confidence was gone, he knew he had been exposed as a bully, and it took him a long time to recover.

[nikola_ganchev]

For me if there was a second fight someone would have explaint to Formane that there are the so cald score cards and that he must not go inside In this case Ali would not have a chance.
It is astounding how unstable is the psychik of Forman

[THE THIRD MAN]

I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

[Master]

I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

[rjj tszyu]

George claimed that Ali ruined him psychologically in that documentary where Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Norton and George sat together and broke bread.
Said he attributed the losses to Young etc. to Ali's demolition of his psyche

Champions Forever. Watched it just last week actually.

[brocktonblockbust]

does anyone know what the judges scorecards were b4 the 8th round KO?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Just found the 'Scorecards in rounds':

Zach Clayton 4-2-1 Ali
Nourridine Adalla 3-0-4 Ali
James Taylor 4-1-2 Ali


UD for Ali WTF?!

[porkypara]

Just found the 'Scorecards in rounds':

Zach Clayton 4-2-1 Ali
Nourridine Adalla 3-0-4 Ali
James Taylor 4-1-2 Ali


UD for Ali WTF?!

Good find!

A lot of Formans shots were hitting arms and gloves but I am supprised.

Will have to score the fight myself to see how I would have had it.

[donnydarkoIRL]

George claimed that Ali ruined him psychologically in that documentary where Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Norton and George sat together and broke bread.
Said he attributed the losses to Young etc. to Ali's demolition of his psyche

Champions Forever. Watched it just last week actually.

Nice one buddy, that's the one.

[nikola_ganchev]

This is no surprise for me. When i am watching old Ali's fights it's all the time Ali did this Ali did that and actually he didn't do anything I always turn the sound off!
I don't want to start talking about the corrupted swines in boxing! I am getting angry!