Article claims that Donaire-Montiel demostrates that MMA is safer than Boxing

[El Kabong]

Both sports are dangerous perhaps in different manners but they can both end up with an opponent dead or seriously injured.

Smaller gloves and allowing knees and kicking can lead to any number of bone fractures and more cutting and swelling. The bigger gloves in boxing are more dangerous to the brain, because you can hit harder (up to a certain point) with bigger gloves.

Allowing a fighter to "come to scratch" is a flaw from a medical standpoint, but its been a part of the sport forever.

[AdamGB]

I stopped reading after the first two paragraphs... what drivel...

The Author is of the misinformed belief that all you have to do is beat a 10 count and the bout will continue.

No.

You have to be able to STEADILY rise to your feet, comfortably within 10 seconds (any time over 8 is down to the ref's imediate discresion). The referee will then examine you and determin whether or not you are in a fit enough state to continue you fighting.

If the lights are on, but nobody is home then it doesn't matter if you got up on ten... you've been counted out on your feet. Simple as.

You cannot drunkinly stagger back on to your feet and take more punishment.

Referees are trained to look at your pupils, palour, balance and awareness (often asking a random question, what colour are that guy's shorts? where are you? etc) and they also take it consideration the punishment you have taken up until the knock down.

How many times have you seen a MMA fighter, get caught with a concussive punch, get laid out flat, out before he even hits the mat and then have his opponent shoot straight on top of him followed by a barrage of elbows/punches. yes the referee may quickly stop this... but in boxing as soon as you're on your way down - that's it, you've got a possible concussion and the action is halted until it is deemed safe for you to go on.

In MMA, you got hit with a concussive shot and the action doesn't immidiatly stop... the window for follow up hits in much greater.

Yes as soon as you're on the mat, the fight stops if you can't defend yourself, but the time to assess this takes longer than it does for the opponent to land more shots.

In boxing, not only do you have to able to stand back up, get properly looked over... you also have to be able to fight on... look at roy jones last fight... you have to be able to hit and not be hit... even if you just tuck up... if you don't answer back, the fight is over. Even if you do throw back... if there's no defence, the fight is over.

If you can't hit and (not 'or') not be hit during the following exchange then the fight is as good as over.

What fucking tripe.

Both sports are dangerous and you cannot use one referees actions to say that one system is safer than another... look at the rules... not one event.

[Kev]

I stopped reading after the first two paragraphs... what drivel...

The Author is of the misinformed belief that all you have to do is beat a 10 count and the bout will continue.

No.

You have to be able to STEADILY rise to your feet, comfortably within 10 seconds (any time over 8 is down to the ref's imediate discresion). The referee will then examine you and determin whether or not you are in a fit enough state to continue you fighting.

If the lights are on, but nobody is home then it doesn't matter if you got up on ten... you've been counted out on your feet. Simple as.

You cannot drunkinly stagger back on to your feet and take more punishment.

Referees are trained to look at your pupils, palour, balance and awareness (often asking a random question, what colour are that guy's shorts? where are you? etc) and they also take it consideration the punishment you have taken up until the knock down.

How many times have you seen a MMA fighter, get caught with a concussive punch, get laid out flat, out before he even hits the mat and then have his opponent shoot straight on top of him followed by a barrage of elbows/punches. yes the referee may quickly stop this... but in boxing as soon as you're on your way down - that's it, you've got a possible concussion and the action is halted until it is deemed safe for you to go on.

In MMA, you got hit with a concussive shot and the action doesn't immidiatly stop... the window for follow up hits in much greater.

Yes as soon as you're on the mat, the fight stops if you can't defend yourself, but the time to assess this takes longer than it does for the opponent to land more shots.

In boxing, not only do you have to able to stand back up, get properly looked over... you also have to be able to fight on... look at roy jones last fight... you have to be able to hit and not be hit... even if you just tuck up... if you don't answer back, the fight is over. Even if you do throw back... if there's no defence, the fight is over.

If you can't hit and (not 'or') not be hit during the following exchange then the fight is as good as over.

What fucking tripe.

I think most of us could probably reel off a hundred fights or more where that has not been the case.

Boxing IS more dangerous than MMA because boxers can take a sustained beating, whilst still being able to 'defend' themselves.

Gerald Mclellen, Michael Watson, Leavander Johnson, Spencer Oliver, Billy Collins are just a few examples.

For all it's seeming violence this just doesn't happen in MMA. There has never been a high profile fatality, or even high profile brain injury.

Now their ears and teeth on the other hand.....

[AdamGB]

Yes, you can take a more sustained beating... but the author is acting like you can get up, barely conscious and be allowed to fight on?

Maybe if the ref is absolutely incompetent you can... but it is not the norm in boxing.

The majority of referees now days are either overly careful or they get it spot on...

Of course a few fuck up... but the longer MMA is around th more you will see MMA refs fuck up too.

If you put a sport that has been around for decades up against one that has been around for centuries than of course one is going to have a higher number of injury and fatality than the other.

I don't think that either sport is massively different in terms of the level of danger... just the types of danger.

[Kev]

Yes, you can take a more sustained beating... but the author is acting like you can get up, barely conscious and be allowed to fight on?

Maybe if the ref is absolutely incompetent you can... but it is not the norm in boxing.

The majority of referees now days are either overly careful or they get it spot on...

Of course a few fuck up... but the longer MMA is around th more you will see MMA refs fuck up too.

If you put a sport that has been around for decades up against one that has been around for centuries than of course one is going to have a higher number of injury and fatality than the other.

I don't think that either sport is massively different in terms of the level of danger... just the types of danger.

Yeah I agree the OP used a piss poor example to demonstrate his point. But boxing is without doubt a more dangerous sport in terms of long term risk to health.

I don't see this as necessarily bad though. Danger in sport is part of what makes it appealing. There is a reason why Formula 1 and the Grand National are popular imo, and it's not because people like to see objects make their way around a circuit.

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If the referee had only seen Montiel having a 3 second seizure, he would have stopped the fight right away. But he did not see it. He was busy guiding Donaire toward the neutral corner while Montiel twitching on the canvas.

[AdamGB]

They're much more open to head shots and normally have their chins up in the air fairly frequently for whatever reason so it probably balances itself out

If the referee had only seen Montiel having a 3 second seizure, he would have stopped the fight right away. But he did not see it. He was busy guiding Donaire toward the neutral corner while Montiel twitching on the canvas.

Awesome sig dude!