Hopkins even against prime Toney. James just had the shoulder roll all wrong, and Hopkins would move to his right and nullify anything James could throw at him. Also Bernard would go to the body. Sure Toney looked really talented against guys that stood right in front of him and allowed him to counter, but when have we seen anyone counter effectively on Hopkins? The only punch that works consistently on Bernard is the jab, and Jermain Taylor was the only one who ever really used it against BHop and got two wins because of it. But his jab was way better than Toney's.