Wlad vs the ATG HWs such as Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Lewis, etc.

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Ali: I take the '67 Ali which would be the closest to his prime to beat Wlad the majority of the time if they fought. Had great chin and speed of hand and foot with decent power, not to mentioned high ring IQ and adaptability. Wlad of course would beat the 70s version of Ali, but we're talking at their peak here.

Foreman: Had 2 careers, the 70s version of his prime physically but the 80s/90s version was a better well rounded boxer that knew how to conserve stamina and had smarts. But the 70s version was a wreckless wrecking ball, so I pick Wlad to beat him majority of the time if they were to fight on multiple occasions, but make no mistake if Foreman landed it's lights out for Wlad.

Lewis: Best version of Lewis takes it for me almost every time. I don't see Wlad having a chance to beat a motivated and determined Lewis. A fat, out of shape, semi-shot, inactive, and 38 year old Lewis still managed to turned Wlad's older brother's face into spaghetti and meat balls. The worst version of Lewis was still able to beat a prime Vitali, so just think of what a prime and motivated Lewis would do to younger bro.

Holyfield: A prime HW version of Holyfield circa 88-92 takes Wlad. This version had good speed and power, mobility, heart, chin, and iron will. He was momentarily staggered by Foreman with a flush shot but still came back and fired off multiple punches and push Foreman back in 1 of the earlier rounds of their fight, so yes he can handle Wlad's power. People seem to be under the impression since he lost to Lewis in '99 at 37 years old that he would have a problem with the bigger and taller hws, I disagree for that version was not at his best anymore and has started to seriously fade.

Holmes: Has great boxing ability, but I don't know if his chin can hold up considering a prime one went life and death against Norton who was past it. I think his chin wouldn't hold up and Wlad takes it most of the time.

Tyson: 80s version with Rooney training him was a wrecking ball. He takes it most of the time because of head movement, speed, power, and granite chin. Wlad beats post prison Tyson not 80s Rooney trained one.

You must be joking Larry Holmes had a 10x better chin than Wladimir Klitschko, and Wladimir Klitschko would never stop Larry Holmes. This is the same Wladimir Klitschko who didn't take a chance against someone like Sultan Ibragimov, and you think he stops Larry Holmes ?

Larry Holmes took a flush shot from Earnie Shavers right on the button. One of the single most devastating shot's in Heavyweight history, and he was up within 4 seconds.

I think you need to watch more of Larry Holmes. He had a better jab than Wladimir Klitschko, better stamina, better speed, better footwork, better chin. The only thing Wladimir Klitschko beats Larry Holmes on is power. But Larry Holmes had enough power to stop Wladimir Klitschko very easily.

As for Ken Norton he wasn't past it, that was his best performance of his career outside of the 1st and 3rd Muhammad Ali fights. Ken Norton gave boxers like Holmes, Ali, trouble. But his style is very awkward and is nothing like Wladimir Klitschko.

Nor does Wladimir Klitschko put on anywhere near the pressure Ken Norton did, and you may not know this but Larry Holmes had a torn bicep going into the fight with Ken Norton.

And still beat him by atleast 4 rounds. I think its an overrated close fight in all honesty. Ken Norton hardly won a round between 2-9, he won alot of the later rounds but still not enough to make up for losing pretty much almost all the early rounds.

I've seen almost all of Holmes fights.
You must be a Holmes fanboy. Fact was Holmes fought in a crappy hw era much like this one. He's the same age and born in the same year as George Forman but didn't fight the same level of competition that Foreman did in the 70s. His biggest win in the 1970s before he ruled the division? A past his prime Ken Norton that was 35 years old that had been in so many HW wars with lots of wear and tear. So are you going to tell me that Ken Norton was in his prime and fresh when he fought Holmes? And yet he went life and death with Norton. Shavers was in his mid 30s with lots of wear and tear also. Are you saying Shavers was in his prime too? Holmes best wins were 2 past it fighters in Shavers, Norton. In the 80s it was Cooney, Marvis Frazier and a shot Ali that that had Parkinsons disease.

ANd yeah I stand by my opinion that Holmes loses the majority of the time if he were to fight Wlad. He has better movement and stamina, but I don't think his chin is strong enough to withstand a right from Wlad.

What about Gerry Cooney ? Tim Witherspoon ? Wladimir Klitschko has fought no one and has been KO'ed twice while he was near enough in his prime by two mediocre fighters.

He just fights scared most of the time now, throwing the same basic jab, right hand, combo. You say Larry Holmes never fought anyone, but i'd a pick Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, Tim Witherspoon, ETC. Over any of Wladimir Klitschko's garbage opposition.

As for Earnie Shavers hold on a minute, the 1st time he fought Larry Holmes he was coming off his best performance vs Muhammad Ali. And when they fought a 2nd time he was just coming off destroying Ken Norton.

So how could he have been shot ? just because he was in his 30's doesn't mean he was shot. He had some of his best performance's of his career between 77-79 which is when he fought Larry Holmes. And he was considered the favourite going into the 1st Larry Holmes fight.

Ken Norton was 34 but again just because he was in his 30's, doesn't mean he wasn't near enough at his best. Between when he fought Muhammad Ali 3rd time and Larry Holmes.

He had many good performances especially against Muhammad Ali, Duane Bobick. So going into the Larry Holmes fight he was on a very good run, and certainly was nowhere near past his best.

How could he be ? he fought amazing fight vs Larry Holmes, i thought Larry Holmes won more clearly than the scorecard's suggested. But he still fought an amazing fight in what should of been the FOTY.

Larry Holmes never fought anyone toe to toe, that wasn't his style unless he had to. He was a smarter fighter than Wladimir Klitschko, and had all the better attributes.

Larry Holmes's chin has been tested and he's passed the test, i don't see where your getting the idea that Wladimir Klitschko would stop Larry Holmes.

When has Wladimir Klitschko ever really tried to stop a top level fighter ? in a big unfication fight with Sultan Ibragimov he was happy to clinch and jab for 12 rounds in one of the worst Heavyweight unification fights of all time.

Im sorry but Larry Holmes would win the jab battle, and would eventually find his underrated right hand on Wladimir Klitschko's chin. And would stop Wladimir Klitschko in about 10 rounds.