I am attempting to join the ARMY.

[Gandalf]

When topics like this come up, I think it's important to recognize that we all have different perspectives on contentious issues.

No Contest is a long-time member of the site and it's obvious that this is something he's thought about for a while prior to making his decision. Calling each other names and ridiculing each others beliefs/careers etc. doesn't do anything other than get people upset and it's sure as shit not going to change anyone's opinions, least of all the guy who's already decided to join the military. I think the best thing we can do is wish No Contest good luck and success in his new career.

Yes, I kind of think the same way these days.

Of course, I totally agree with Hornfingers arguments and that is one of the reasons I abstained from this thread. Diz started a thread like this a while back and I wasn't very nice about the military and I don't really want to rain on another persons parade again. I also started a thread a while back asking if the army was only for idiots. In the later thread I had every right to stomp my views all over the place as it was my thread and I had fire in my belly, so in this thread I think it right to stay cool.

I would certainly never pursue the work that No Contest is for obvious political, moral and ideological reasons, but each man to their own. I like the chap and wish him well in life. I'm sure I will rail against the military at some point in the future, but not now.

As for America being a great country, I happen to think so too in many regards. But though it doesn't impose tyranny at home (economic tyranny is currently expanding), it certainly has imposed both military and economic tyranny upon far too many nations world wide. It isn't wise to stick ones head in the sand about the many and obvious wrongs commited by the US government/military. I always get labelled an American hater and I can see where that view comes from and in some of my more outspoken moments I have been particularly harsh, but my concerns are valid. I am going to leave it at that though. If I have a bee in my bonnet I will start my own threads like I have always done. I seem to have lost all my fire though, I am just feeling far too nice these days. Must be the lack of friends.

[Andre]

Sniper check

[VictorCharlie]

I think there some perceptions of Soldiers on here that aren't necessarily true. Most of the Soldiers I know didn't join or stay in b/c they endorse the current or past nation's foreign policy. Most people I know joined b/c they wanted money for college, job training, they wanted to get out of the ghetto/backwoods town they grew up in or they simply didn't know what they wanted to do in life and figured the military would give them some life skills. Very few Soldiers have or will every use deadly force. I'd guess less than 15% of current active duty have ever needed to pull the trigger and spend most of their time genuinely helping their fellow man. For most military service is just a job that they happen to wear a uniform to. I'm sure I come across as an alpha male type a personality and cowboy American and while lots of Infantryman fit that mold most Soldiers are very regular family folks that simply aren't that informed about American foreign policy. They do their job and deploy when and where they are told. I joined out of a desire to serve but I stayed b/c I was good at my job and most importantly I truly love training, leading, mentoring and generally just hanging out with Soldiers. It is not a career for everyone but for certain people it will be a very rewarding 4, 10, 20 or 30 years.

[Hornfinger]

Hey Hornfinger, if you dont have anything to add to this thread, why don't you fuck off?

Touching a nerve ay? Seems to me in trying to let another human being they have a lot more to live for than fighting pointless wars for greedy governments I'm adding a lot more to the thread than you. Mr blind sheep that does and believes anything his government says. If you had a mind of your own you might be dangerous.

No you haven't touch a nerve, this thread isn't about American's foreign policy or it's wars, it's about a guy wanting opportunities in life, and he's getting advice from people and well wishers. But you on the other hand came in and start going off about wars, innocent dead, etc. You managed or attempting to derail this thread.

All you have done is serious trolling. I think it's pretty pathetic that someone's highlight of the day is troll around. BTW, I thought you said you're done with trolling? http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-my-chest.html

I'm not trolling at all. And the fact you resort to saying I am says alot. This is something I feel strongly about. And what I'm saying is very very very very very very simple. EVEN you might get it.

DON'T JOIN THE ARMY YOU HAVE MORE GOING FOR YOU AND MORE OPPOTUNITIES THAN RESORTING TO THIS.

MR NO CONTEST YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS AND MORE DESERVING THERE ARE OTHER MUCH MORE WORTH WHILE THINGS YOU CAN DO.

No, you are trolling and it's what is allowed on this board for you and I seriously doubt you feel strongly about this subject. Whether it's some boxing thread to more serious issues like this thread, you come in and troll and derail the topic at hand. It's an obvious pattern.

Okay since you are saying you are not here to troll, then let's see you give some decent advice for this young man then? Besides just typing out, "Don't join army, there's lots of worthwhile things to do." Okay what are they? Let's hear the specifics? Go into the details of what they are.

Nope I'm not trolling at all you just don't have the mental capacity to come up with reasoning why I can't have the opinion that I have, and because of that you come up with this very VERY lame 'trolling' accusation.

Specifics, really?

Join the abulence service, hard to get into it's a challenge, you help people.

Join the fireservice, see above even more relevant than the above if you want that military type disciplin aspect.

Find the thing you really love doing and then think of /find a way of making money out of it. To extend that become a teacher.... which brings me onto...

go back into education

Learn a trade and start your own business be your own boss.

-plumbing
-electrician
-gass fitter
-construction


Suck a dick. Yes be a prostitute. Still a more worth while job than doing a bombing campeign in afghanistan you'll earn more money and you can choose your own hours.

There you go some (I could write a hell of alot more) specifics all more worth while than joining the army.

[generalbulldog]

Ah, now was that so hard horney finger? Now why didn't you come into this thread and gave some decent advice in the beginning but went into a tirade about wasting your life, American foreign policy and few youtube videos on it?

why do you want to waste your life?

I cannot think of anything worse or more pointless.

Unless you like killing poor, weaker people than yourself to rob their country of their natural recourses of course.

This is your 1st post in this thread no? It definitely sounds like 1 is trolling here or attempting to be as insulting as possible to the op of this thread. Even Miles who definitely is against ideas like this, refrained from coming into this thread insulting people on what they want to do with their life.

[Hornfinger]

Ah, now was that so hard horney finger? Now why didn't you come into this thread and gave some decent advice in the beginning but went into a tirade about wasting your life, American foreign policy and few youtube videos on it?

why do you want to waste your life?

I cannot think of anything worse or more pointless.

Unless you like killing poor, weaker people than yourself to rob their country of their natural recourses of course.

This is your 1st post in this thread no? It definitely sounds like 1 is trolling here or attempting to be as insulting as possible to the op of this thread. Even Miles who definitely is against ideas like this, refrained from coming into this thread insulting people on what they want to do with their life.

Said it all already

you just don't have the mental capacity to come up with reasoning why I can't have the opinion that I have, and because of that you come up with this very VERY lame 'trolling' accusation.

[Ghost]

Ah, now was that so hard horney finger? Now why didn't you come into this thread and gave some decent advice in the beginning but went into a tirade about wasting your life, American foreign policy and few youtube videos on it?

why do you want to waste your life?

I cannot think of anything worse or more pointless.

Unless you like killing poor, weaker people than yourself to rob their country of their natural recourses of course.

This is your 1st post in this thread no? It definitely sounds like 1 is trolling here or attempting to be as insulting as possible to the op of this thread. Even Miles who definitely is against ideas like this, refrained from coming into this thread insulting people on what they want to do with their life.

Said it all already

you just don't have the mental capacity to come up with reasoning why I can't have the opinion that I have, and because of that you come up with this very VERY lame 'trolling' accusation.

It's called Respect. Respect for other people feelings and Respect for other peoples choices in life (be they right or wrong)

"Freedom of Speech" is a basic right we all are given in our countries (Not all have it) given by the government and protected by the military.

In your opinion, you are not trolling. In my opinion, you are shitting on mine and every one else's family who has every fought in a war, served in the military or died, to help protect your right/freedom(s) to say what every fancies your thoughts on the day.

Respect cost you nothing to give to some one but can cost you plenty when you lose it.

[mattboxingfan]

You are a brave man to do this, very brave, I could not do it ever. I could join the fire brigade however.

Yeah and save lives, educate kids in school. Yeah all fire fighters are pussys, never risk their health and don't do any good in the comunity. Well not as much good as a brainwashed troop whos only objective is kill or be killed. God I wish I could do that.

People forget. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. IMO you cross the line into stupidity as soon as you sign up for the army.

Yeah no one should join the army that way other countries who have people join there army can take advantage of you. Have some respect people are risking there lives to keep you me and everyone of this forum safe from threats like terrorism. Would you rather wake up to bombs going of where you live? Because i know i sure as hell am glad there are soldiers keeping that threat away from my home and country. I'd say the real stupidity can be seen in a man who sits behind his computer saying every soldier is a murderer fighting for oil. Talk about brainwashed you must have repeated it about 3/4 times and these men and women who chose to fight are the brainwashed ones...

[Hornfinger]

You are a brave man to do this, very brave, I could not do it ever. I could join the fire brigade however.

Yeah and save lives, educate kids in school. Yeah all fire fighters are pussys, never risk their health and don't do any good in the comunity. Well not as much good as a brainwashed troop whos only objective is kill or be killed. God I wish I could do that.

People forget. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. IMO you cross the line into stupidity as soon as you sign up for the army.

Yeah no one should join the army that way other countries who have people join there army can take advantage of you. Have some respect people are risking there lives to keep you me and everyone of this forum safe from threats like terrorism. Would you rather wake up to bombs going of where you live? Because i know i sure as hell am glad there are soldiers keeping that threat away from my home and country. I'd say the real stupidity can be seen in a man who sits behind his computer saying every soldier is a murderer fighting for oil. Talk about brainwashed you must have repeated it about 3/4 times and these men and women who chose to fight are the brainwashed ones...

If everyone in every country refused to be in the army would we have to worry?

Especially us in the west as no one has the missile capability to hit us from there country. And even if they did you'd litterally see the missile coming from a mile a way and would be able to intercept it.

In the west we don't have wars now anyway, they are bombing campeigns. when was the last time that during 'war time' any western country was bombed/invaded by a foreign enemy?

Terrorism threat? what terrorism threat? It is an undeniable statistical fact that more people die each year getting stung by bees than they do getting killed in 'terrorist' attacks. So if you really want to save people in your country it might be a more worth while cause to become a bug exterminator. You'll be saving alot more people in your country that way.

[Hornfinger]

Ah, now was that so hard horney finger? Now why didn't you come into this thread and gave some decent advice in the beginning but went into a tirade about wasting your life, American foreign policy and few youtube videos on it?

why do you want to waste your life?

I cannot think of anything worse or more pointless.

Unless you like killing poor, weaker people than yourself to rob their country of their natural recourses of course.

This is your 1st post in this thread no? It definitely sounds like 1 is trolling here or attempting to be as insulting as possible to the op of this thread. Even Miles who definitely is against ideas like this, refrained from coming into this thread insulting people on what they want to do with their life.

Said it all already

you just don't have the mental capacity to come up with reasoning why I can't have the opinion that I have, and because of that you come up with this very VERY lame 'trolling' accusation.

It's called Respect. Respect for other people feelings and Respect for other peoples choices in life (be they right or wrong)

"Freedom of Speech" is a basic right we all are given in our countries (Not all have it) given by the government and protected by the military.

In your opinion, you are not trolling. In my opinion, you are shitting on mine and every one else's family who has every fought in a war, served in the military or died, to help protect your right/freedom(s) to say what every fancies your thoughts on the day.

Respect cost you nothing to give to some one but can cost you plenty when you lose it.

Both my grand parents fought in WW2. And I know that one of them (who actually got medals for being a war hero) was far from proud of his service.

Bombing afghanistan and iraq is not protecting my freedom, my freedom was never in danger from either of those countries. The faulklands didn't protect my freedom, Vietnam didn't protect my freedom. All were pointless and just cost lives very very needlessly, and were all put into operation on a lie. The sooner people realize this and stop encouraging each other to go out and do these stupid things the sooner we can stop the pointless loss of our loved ones.

In my life time I'm not greatful to the army for anything. NOT ONE THING!

The only thing I am pro war about, is it is the last line of natural selection we have. Although that is not really true anymore when you look at the statistics of troops from the west who died in afghanistan/iraq compared to the number they anhiliated.

Seeing as this is in the 'let's get it on' section of this forum I am breaking no rules by EXPRESSING MY OPINION on this topic.

[boozeboxer]

Ah, now was that so hard horney finger? Now why didn't you come into this thread and gave some decent advice in the beginning but went into a tirade about wasting your life, American foreign policy and few youtube videos on it?

why do you want to waste your life?

I cannot think of anything worse or more pointless.

Unless you like killing poor, weaker people than yourself to rob their country of their natural recourses of course.

This is your 1st post in this thread no? It definitely sounds like 1 is trolling here or attempting to be as insulting as possible to the op of this thread. Even Miles who definitely is against ideas like this, refrained from coming into this thread insulting people on what they want to do with their life.

Said it all already

you just don't have the mental capacity to come up with reasoning why I can't have the opinion that I have, and because of that you come up with this very VERY lame 'trolling' accusation.

It's called Respect. Respect for other people feelings and Respect for other peoples choices in life (be they right or wrong)

"Freedom of Speech" is a basic right we all are given in our countries (Not all have it) given by the government and protected by the military.

In your opinion, you are not trolling. In my opinion, you are shitting on mine and every one else's family who has every fought in a war, served in the military or died, to help protect your right/freedom(s) to say what every fancies your thoughts on the day.

Respect cost you nothing to give to some one but can cost you plenty when you lose it.

Both my grand parents fought in WW2. And I know that one of them (who actually got medals for being a war hero) was far from proud of his service.

Bombing afghanistan and iraq is not protecting my freedom, my freedom was never in danger from either of those countries. The faulklands didn't protect my freedom, Vietnam didn't protect my freedom. All were pointless and just cost lives very very needlessly, and were all put into operation on a lie. The sooner people realize this and stop encouraging each other to go out and do these stupid things the sooner we can stop the pointless loss of our loved ones.

In my life time I'm not greatful to the army for anything. NOT ONE THING!

The only thing I am pro war about, is it is the last line of natural selection we have. Although that is not really true anymore when you look at the statistics of troops from the west who died in afghanistan/iraq compared to the number they anhiliated.

Seeing as this is in the 'let's get it on' section of this forum I am breaking no rules by EXPRESSING MY OPINION on this topic.

What about SALT II?

[Hornfinger]

SALT II?

Please enlighten me. This is obviously something I've missed and have no clue about and could be the thing that makes me change my mind on this whole issue.

[CFH]

SALT II?

Please enlighten me. This is obviously something I've missed and have no clue about and could be the thing that makes me change my mind on this whole issue.

Strategic Arms Limitation Talks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have no idea how this could be relevant to the current discussion.

[boozeboxer]

SALT II?

Please enlighten me. This is obviously something I've missed and have no clue about and could be the thing that makes me change my mind on this whole issue.

Strategic Arms Limitation Talks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have no idea how this could be relevant to the current discussion.

Now we are imposing a relevancy requirement?

[CFH]

SALT II?

Please enlighten me. This is obviously something I've missed and have no clue about and could be the thing that makes me change my mind on this whole issue.

Strategic Arms Limitation Talks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have no idea how this could be relevant to the current discussion.

Now we are imposing a relevancy requirement?

If we did that this forum would cease to function.