On their very best night who wins the all time heavyweight prizefighter competition?

[BIG H]

Vitali Klitschko the best Heavyweight ever along with Lennox Lewis ? LOL sorry that made me laugh hysterically. Based on what exactly ? outside of the Lennox Lewis fight his career has been very average. I mean his best win is probably against Corrie Sanders.

just based on what i see

you dont have to have the same opinion

IMO having Ali as the best heavyweight of all time is stupid talk

ok maybe he is greatest in what he represented and how he moved the sport forward and what he achieved outside the ring, i wouldnt disagree with that, but in the ring? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa

He beat arguably 3 of the best 10 heavyweights in history, all in their prime (Liston, Frazier & Foreman) Nobody in history can claim that.

[Dark Lord Al]

Vitali Klitschko the best Heavyweight ever along with Lennox Lewis ? LOL sorry that made me laugh hysterically. Based on what exactly ? outside of the Lennox Lewis fight his career has been very average. I mean his best win is probably against Corrie Sanders.

just based on what i see

you dont have to have the same opinion

IMO having Ali as the best heavyweight of all time is stupid talk

ok maybe he is greatest in what he represented and how he moved the sport forward and what he achieved outside the ring, i wouldnt disagree with that, but in the ring? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa

He beat arguably 3 of the best 10 heavyweights in history, all in their prime (Liston, Frazier & Foreman) Nobody in history can claim that.

Era's are different for sure , but liston a slow slugger , frazier a 6 foot slugger , and big george a 16 stone four fighter , todays hw are just massive in comparison , its just so hard to compare.
For instance, all athletic track and field world records are getting better each year , so why not fighters ?
People say Lewis didnt fight anyone like Ali , well Ali never fought anyone like Lewis or the brothers Grim. Liston was very limited in fairness.
The debate will go on and on , we all have our views , but Ali brings very little power to the table in this modern era , and how fast would he be in clinches with guys 17stone 11 , who have speed, power and skills?

[BIG H]

Vitali Klitschko the best Heavyweight ever along with Lennox Lewis ? LOL sorry that made me laugh hysterically. Based on what exactly ? outside of the Lennox Lewis fight his career has been very average. I mean his best win is probably against Corrie Sanders.

just based on what i see

you dont have to have the same opinion

IMO having Ali as the best heavyweight of all time is stupid talk

ok maybe he is greatest in what he represented and how he moved the sport forward and what he achieved outside the ring, i wouldnt disagree with that, but in the ring? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa

He beat arguably 3 of the best 10 heavyweights in history, all in their prime (Liston, Frazier & Foreman) Nobody in history can claim that.

Era's are different for sure , but liston a slow slugger , frazier a 6 foot slugger , and big george a 16 stone four fighter , todays hw are just massive in comparison , its just so hard to compare.
For instance, all athletic track and field world records are getting better each year , so why not fighters ?
People say Lewis didnt fight anyone like Ali , well Ali never fought anyone like Lewis or the brothers Grim. Liston was very limited in fairness.
The debate will go on and on , we all have our views , but Ali brings very little power to the table in this modern era , and how fast would he be in clinches with guys 17stone 11 , who have speed, power and skills?

Yeh, good points all around mate. It's very hard to compare eras, the size thing is a big factor. In terms of things improving, I agree again, but I still, think that SRR is the greatest fighter I have ever watched (but size doesn't come into that debate admitedly)

[erics44]

Vitali Klitschko the best Heavyweight ever along with Lennox Lewis ? LOL sorry that made me laugh hysterically. Based on what exactly ? outside of the Lennox Lewis fight his career has been very average. I mean his best win is probably against Corrie Sanders.

just based on what i see

you dont have to have the same opinion

IMO having Ali as the best heavyweight of all time is stupid talk

ok maybe he is greatest in what he represented and how he moved the sport forward and what he achieved outside the ring, i wouldnt disagree with that, but in the ring? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa

He beat arguably 3 of the best 10 heavyweights in history, all in their prime (Liston, Frazier & Foreman) Nobody in history can claim that.

i also think (size aside) Liston and Frazier are only thought of so highly because of the era they fought in

if they fought in other eras when ali wasnt around and boxing wasnt such big news i wouldnt have thought they would have such high stock

I would agree foreman is one of the best ever

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

It can easily be argued that Liston's prime was before his championship years and that Fraizer was close to shot after the 1st Foreman fight.
Also, I'm convinced that 9 times outta 10, Foreman murders Ali... I mean, Ali did it and I'm not knocking his achievements but they can get easily inflated.

[erics44]

It can easily be argued that Liston's prime was before his championship years and that Fraizer was close to shot after the 1st Foreman fight.
Also, I'm convinced that 9 times outta 10, Foreman murders Ali... I mean, Ali did it and I'm not knocking his achievements but they can get easily inflated.

i agree, i think at the time of the fight ali would have lost to george the vast majority of the time

maybe a younger ali would have taken foreman i dunno

[BIG H]

I was trying to think of when 2 really good heavyweihgts fought and there was vast difference in size and the small guy won?

Spinks vs Cooney
Holyfiled v Bowe II

Both of them must've been giving away 30 + pounds?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I was trying to think of when 2 really good heavyweihgts fought and there was vast difference in size and the small guy won?

Spinks vs Cooney
Holyfiled v Bowe II

Both of them must've been giving away 30 + pounds?

Haye vs Valuev?


*** Edit, sorry I retract that comment... Didn't realise you said VERY good. ***

[Dark Lord Al]

I was trying to think of when 2 really good heavyweihgts fought and there was vast difference in size and the small guy won?

Spinks vs Cooney
Holyfiled v Bowe II

Both of them must've been giving away 30 + pounds?

A semi retired Gerry Cooney was not a really good hw. he was shot.

[BIG H]

I was trying to think of when 2 really good heavyweihgts fought and there was vast difference in size and the small guy won?

Spinks vs Cooney
Holyfiled v Bowe II

Both of them must've been giving away 30 + pounds?

A semi retired Gerry Cooney was not a really good hw. he was shot.

Dunno about that - he had only lost to Holmes and had a very competitive fight with him. Apart from that he hadn't been in any wars. He was pretty inactive agreed. He was probably beating Spinks at the point of the stoppage too.