I am attempting to join the ARMY.

[Gandalf]

I'm just sitting here wearing a monocle and eating the popcorn. Hornfinger is quite right, but Boozeboxer has truly altered the course of the thread through the old fashioned SALT 2 diversion tactic.

[Ghost]

Bombing afghanistan and iraq is not protecting my freedom, my freedom was never in danger from either of those countries. The faulklands didn't protect my freedom, Vietnam didn't protect my freedom. All were pointless and just cost lives very very needlessly, and were all put into operation on a lie. The sooner people realize this and stop encouraging each other to go out and do these stupid things the sooner we can stop the pointless loss of our loved ones.

In my life time I'm not greatful to the army for anything. NOT ONE THING!

The only thing I am pro war about, is it is the last line of natural selection we have. Although that is not really true anymore when you look at the statistics of troops from the west who died in afghanistan/iraq compared to the number they anhiliated.

Seeing as this is in the 'let's get it on' section of this forum I am breaking no rules by EXPRESSING MY OPINION on this topic.

Not stopping you from expressing your opinion, Far from it.

And you are not breaking any rules in this section of the forum. And thank you for pointing out witch section we are in as any thing goes down. (Forgot that for a moment)

Don't know about your grandparents, but if you were my kid, you would not be walking for a month. Don't give 2 shits where you are from, where your grand parents fought or in witch war. Common courtesy is some thing most kids were taught some years ago. You young fuck wits seem to have lost that training or your parents forgot what it meant. No problem, I can come down to your level and converse in child speak.

Your opinion means jack to me.Could careless what you think about the army, the government or even me. You are so low on my to do list that it might be a year before I even think about you again.

Or in other words, talking about pond scum would be more interesting than listening to the dribble that pours out of your mouth.

[Gandalf]

Bombing afghanistan and iraq is not protecting my freedom, my freedom was never in danger from either of those countries. The faulklands didn't protect my freedom, Vietnam didn't protect my freedom. All were pointless and just cost lives very very needlessly, and were all put into operation on a lie. The sooner people realize this and stop encouraging each other to go out and do these stupid things the sooner we can stop the pointless loss of our loved ones.

In my life time I'm not greatful to the army for anything. NOT ONE THING!

The only thing I am pro war about, is it is the last line of natural selection we have. Although that is not really true anymore when you look at the statistics of troops from the west who died in afghanistan/iraq compared to the number they anhiliated.

Seeing as this is in the 'let's get it on' section of this forum I am breaking no rules by EXPRESSING MY OPINION on this topic.

Not stopping you from expressing your opinion, Far from it.

And you are not breaking any rules in this section of the forum. And thank you for pointing out witch section we are in as any thing goes down. (Forgot that for a moment)

Don't know about your grandparents, but if you were my kid, you would not be walking for a month. Don't give 2 shits where you are from, where your grand parents fought or in witch war. Common courtesy is some thing most kids were taught some years ago. You young fuck wits seem to have lost that training or your parents forgot what it meant. No problem, I can come down to your level and converse in child speak.

Your opinion means jack to me.Could careless what you think about the army, the government or even me. You are so low on my to do list that it might be a year before I even think about you again.

Or in other words, talking about pond scum would be more interesting than listening to the dribble that pours out of your mouth.

You would beat your kid for expressing an entirely valid viewpoint?

Hornfinger has said nothing particularly controversial. Sure, he could have said it with more tact, but ultimately he is quite right. The Vietnam war WAS built upon a deception. The Iraq war was again based upon deception. How dare Hornfinger suggest that those that went there to serve were in some way complicit in the deception and ultimately helped to kill many millions of people. Sure, they may have been ignorant or else just didn't care about the politics, but they still partook in a dishonest war effort. Are you suggesting that he is making that up and is out of line for suggesting that this was the case?

But sure, whip off the belt and beat the kid who reads between the lines. Gotta make those darn kids learn some respect!

[Ghost]

You would beat your kid for expressing an entirely valid viewpoint?

Hornfinger has said nothing particularly controversial. Sure, he could have said it with more tact, but ultimately he is quite right. The Vietnam war WAS built upon a deception. The Iraq war was again based upon deception. How dare Hornfinger suggest that those that went there to serve were in some way complicit in the deception and ultimately helped to kill many millions of people. Sure, they may have been ignorant or else just didn't care about the politics, but they still partook in a dishonest war effort. Are you suggesting that he is making that up and is out of line for suggesting that this was the case?

But sure, whip off the belt and beat the kid who reads between the lines. Gotta make those darn kids learn some respect!

You do not listen miles, you see the word beating and you get all rightist.

The words "Disrespect" and "Common Courtesy" just slip by or having no meaning in this thread. There are no valid reasons for "Disrespect", do not care how old you are. Hiding under "My Opinion" is nothing more than a cope out (Excuse's are like ass holes, every one has one and they use it often). But that's ok, he's young. So are the whole Generation Y, you know, the give it to me, do not deserve it but I want it and I want now generation. Fuck every one else so long as my opinion is heard generation.

What ever happen to family values? Not here, not now. Not in this time.

I am glad I am getting to age when my back on all the excuse's people throw out there and just walk away from it. The ignore button works find here, and I'm getting good use out of it.

BTW, miles, nothing personal in there towards you.

[generalbulldog]

Bombing afghanistan and iraq is not protecting my freedom, my freedom was never in danger from either of those countries. The faulklands didn't protect my freedom, Vietnam didn't protect my freedom. All were pointless and just cost lives very very needlessly, and were all put into operation on a lie. The sooner people realize this and stop encouraging each other to go out and do these stupid things the sooner we can stop the pointless loss of our loved ones.

In my life time I'm not greatful to the army for anything. NOT ONE THING!

The only thing I am pro war about, is it is the last line of natural selection we have. Although that is not really true anymore when you look at the statistics of troops from the west who died in afghanistan/iraq compared to the number they anhiliated.

Seeing as this is in the 'let's get it on' section of this forum I am breaking no rules by EXPRESSING MY OPINION on this topic.

Not stopping you from expressing your opinion, Far from it.

And you are not breaking any rules in this section of the forum. And thank you for pointing out witch section we are in as any thing goes down. (Forgot that for a moment)

Don't know about your grandparents, but if you were my kid, you would not be walking for a month. Don't give 2 shits where you are from, where your grand parents fought or in witch war. Common courtesy is some thing most kids were taught some years ago. You young fuck wits seem to have lost that training or your parents forgot what it meant. No problem, I can come down to your level and converse in child speak.

Your opinion means jack to me.Could careless what you think about the army, the government or even me. You are so low on my to do list that it might be a year before I even think about you again.

Or in other words, talking about pond scum would be more interesting than listening to the dribble that pours out of your mouth.

You would beat your kid for expressing an entirely valid viewpoint?

Hornfinger has said nothing particularly controversial. Sure, he could have said it with more tact, but ultimately he is quite right. The Vietnam war WAS built upon a deception. The Iraq war was again based upon deception. How dare Hornfinger suggest that those that went there to serve were in some way complicit in the deception and ultimately helped to kill many millions of people. Sure, they may have been ignorant or else just didn't care about the politics, but they still partook in a dishonest war effort. Are you suggesting that he is making that up and is out of line for suggesting that this was the case?

But sure, whip off the belt and beat the kid who reads between the lines. Gotta make those darn kids learn some respect!

That's not the point, and you're being bias and dismissing the man's words because it doesn't fall in line with yours. The point he and I was talking about earlier was the word RESPECT. You and Hornfinger do know what that word means right?

In this thread take a guess on which member(s) comes in with blatant disrespect insulting the OP? Just take a guess? Yeah you have freedom of speech and all that jazz. And no one is stopping you guys from expressing it. But where is the respect? And the op is a long time member. All he is asking for forum members here is to wish him good luck and that he feels that this is the best option for him in terms of career and money for college.

You and Hornfinger seriously have a problem with that? I've been here on this forum for almost 2 years and almost every single one of the guy's post is a windup to get under the skin of other people. We all do it from time to time. But the guy does it constantly and this thread isn't for that.

why do you want to waste your life?

I cannot think of anything worse or more pointless.

Unless you like killing poor, weaker people than yourself to rob their country of their natural recourses of course.

You don't see the blatant disrespect in this 1st post of your buddy in this thread? And Ghost is right, this generation has a major problem with the words respect and common courtesy.

With your way of thinking and reasoning I can go tell my neighbor right in her face that I don't like her and think she's a disgusting old hag and say, "Hey I'm just expressing my opinion, nothing controversial about my view." But you know what? It's rude, disrespectful, crass, and lacks any sense of decency or courtesy as a neighbor.

[Gandalf]

You would beat your kid for expressing an entirely valid viewpoint?

Hornfinger has said nothing particularly controversial. Sure, he could have said it with more tact, but ultimately he is quite right. The Vietnam war WAS built upon a deception. The Iraq war was again based upon deception. How dare Hornfinger suggest that those that went there to serve were in some way complicit in the deception and ultimately helped to kill many millions of people. Sure, they may have been ignorant or else just didn't care about the politics, but they still partook in a dishonest war effort. Are you suggesting that he is making that up and is out of line for suggesting that this was the case?

But sure, whip off the belt and beat the kid who reads between the lines. Gotta make those darn kids learn some respect!

You do not listen miles, you see the word beating and you get all rightist.

The words "Disrespect" and "Common Courtesy" just slip by or having no meaning in this thread. There are no valid reasons for "Disrespect", do not care how old you are. Hiding under "My Opinion" is nothing more than a cope out (Excuse's are like ass holes, every one has one and they use it often). But that's ok, he's young. So are the whole Generation Y, you know, the give it to me, do not deserve it but I want it and I want now generation. Fuck every one else so long as my opinion is heard generation.

What ever happen to family values? Not here, not now. Not in this time.

I am glad I am getting to age when my back on all the excuse's people throw out there and just walk away from it. The ignore button works find here, and I'm getting good use out of it.

BTW, miles, nothing personal in there towards you.

No, it's fine and I can see where you are coming from. As someone who believes very strongly in free speech, I just believe that you have to let people have their platform and more so if they do have valid concerns. If I was a parent nothing could make me prouder than to have a child challenge me on my viewpoints and disagree with me....just so long as they could actually back it up. Otherwise, I would be a bit let down. Maybe then it's time for the big wooden spoon!

When it comes to something like Vietnam, that is where I actually regard someone like Ali as a bit of a hero. He believed it was wrong and said no. There is no greater stand that one can make. In that sense I see where Hornfinger is coming from, if more people had that awareness, courage and sense of conviction then it wouldn't be so easy to start these irrational and awful wars and I mean that for the loss of life on both sides. There was never any need for it.

I saw the other words that you used, but clearly the beating of a child element stood out. I agree that it is better to show respect and courtesy (though I have faltered from time to time ), but I can't get too upset about the points Hornfinger has made. Generally speaking they are good ones, but I can see how they could piss some people off.

When it comes to things like family values and the like I am actually fairly traditional myself. I present myself as a bit of a left wing atheist snob, but when it comes to homelife I am pretty conservative. In person I am actually very quiet and am very considerate of other people. I kind of expect others to behave the same way. I guess when it comes to the internet though people can sometimes forget their manners and we all do it. Perhaps it's the nature of the beast.

I'm putting the monocle back on and am going to get some fruit jellies. Oh, the joy of having real teeth!

[Gandalf]

I've kind of responded to those points in my reply to Ghost, GB....so don't feel shortchanged that I am not giving you one of my typically longwinded replies.

[Ghost]

I've kind of responded to those points in my reply to Ghost, GB....so don't feel shortchanged that I am not giving you one of my typically longwinded replies.

Awwww go ahead, you know you want to.

[Gandalf]

I've kind of responded to those points in my reply to Ghost, GB....so don't feel shortchanged that I am not giving you one of my typically longwinded replies.

Awwww go ahead, you know you want to.

Nah, can't be bothered!

To be honest, I kind of agree with you both about the derailing aspects. But in terms of the actual content of his arguments I just think that he is fairly sound. No big deal. I'm as drawn in as I am going to get and that's quite enough.

[boozeboxer]

I believe No Contest started a thread stating he was trying to join the Army.

Many different beliefs on whether that is a good or prudent decision.

He in reality has asked the forum members, so I believe Hornfinger owed it to his fellow poster to state that he believed it was a waste of time.

The bottom line is Hornfinger is of an opinion similar of many people you will encounter, whether they tell you or not. I think it is only fair he would be told this before he joined.

If this is only a puff piece giving slaps-on-the-back and attaboy's, he might as well join an Army Forum.


Before someone gives their life away they ought to be able to have several idea's given. Just because some dude in Texas who is life-long military thinks it is a great idea, doesn't automatically invalidate other opinions on it.

[Hornfinger]

Bombing afghanistan and iraq is not protecting my freedom, my freedom was never in danger from either of those countries. The faulklands didn't protect my freedom, Vietnam didn't protect my freedom. All were pointless and just cost lives very very needlessly, and were all put into operation on a lie. The sooner people realize this and stop encouraging each other to go out and do these stupid things the sooner we can stop the pointless loss of our loved ones.

In my life time I'm not greatful to the army for anything. NOT ONE THING!

The only thing I am pro war about, is it is the last line of natural selection we have. Although that is not really true anymore when you look at the statistics of troops from the west who died in afghanistan/iraq compared to the number they anhiliated.

Seeing as this is in the 'let's get it on' section of this forum I am breaking no rules by EXPRESSING MY OPINION on this topic.

Not stopping you from expressing your opinion, Far from it.

And you are not breaking any rules in this section of the forum. And thank you for pointing out witch section we are in as any thing goes down. (Forgot that for a moment)

Don't know about your grandparents, but if you were my kid, you would not be walking for a month. Don't give 2 shits where you are from, where your grand parents fought or in witch war. Common courtesy is some thing most kids were taught some years ago. You young fuck wits seem to have lost that training or your parents forgot what it meant. No problem, I can come down to your level and converse in child speak.

Your opinion means jack to me.Could careless what you think about the army, the government or even me. You are so low on my to do list that it might be a year before I even think about you again.

Or in other words, talking about pond scum would be more interesting than listening to the dribble that pours out of your mouth.

You would beat your kid for expressing an entirely valid viewpoint?

Hornfinger has said nothing particularly controversial. Sure, he could have said it with more tact, but ultimately he is quite right. The Vietnam war WAS built upon a deception. The Iraq war was again based upon deception. How dare Hornfinger suggest that those that went there to serve were in some way complicit in the deception and ultimately helped to kill many millions of people. Sure, they may have been ignorant or else just didn't care about the politics, but they still partook in a dishonest war effort. Are you suggesting that he is making that up and is out of line for suggesting that this was the case?

But sure, whip off the belt and beat the kid who reads between the lines. Gotta make those darn kids learn some respect!

That's not the point, and you're being bias and dismissing the man's words because it doesn't fall in line with yours. The point he and I was talking about earlier was the word RESPECT. You and Hornfinger do know what that word means right?

In this thread take a guess on which member(s) comes in with blatant disrespect insulting the OP? Just take a guess? Yeah you have freedom of speech and all that jazz. And no one is stopping you guys from expressing it. But where is the respect? And the op is a long time member. All he is asking for forum members here is to wish him good luck and that he feels that this is the best option for him in terms of career and money for college.

You and Hornfinger seriously have a problem with that? I've been here on this forum for almost 2 years and almost every single one of the guy's post is a windup to get under the skin of other people. We all do it from time to time. But the guy does it constantly and this thread isn't for that.

why do you want to waste your life?

I cannot think of anything worse or more pointless.

Unless you like killing poor, weaker people than yourself to rob their country of their natural recourses of course.

You don't see the blatant disrespect in this 1st post of your buddy in this thread? And Ghost is right, this generation has a major problem with the words respect and common courtesy.

With your way of thinking and reasoning I can go tell my neighbor right in her face that I don't like her and think she's a disgusting old hag and say, "Hey I'm just expressing my opinion, nothing controversial about my view." But you know what? It's rude, disrespectful, crass, and lacks any sense of decency or courtesy as a neighbor.

So if someone posts up a thread saying I'm off to join the KKK and burn black people for a living or go on a spree raping and killing women we should all say 'ah good for you mate, hope it works out for you' right?

It's called freedom of speech sunshine. It's what your constitution used to stand for and what people used to fight their own government for. These days people like you are to blind/stupid to realize that you are giving support to abolish the right of freedom of speech. What are the army doing to protect that? Nothing cuz they're off bombing afghanistan.

Freedom of speech as long as it's supporting the government and their policies right?

Popular speech doesn't need protecting it's unpopular speech like mine that does. For instances like this.

Joining the army for college money is a bullshit excuse. In the words of Doug Stanhope, 'If your dumb enough to join the army chances are college ain't gonna help'

[No Contest]

I'm joining the Army just to spite Miles and Hornfinger. I hope I get to kill some innocents and babies that sounds like fun.

[Hornfinger]

Bombing afghanistan and iraq is not protecting my freedom, my freedom was never in danger from either of those countries. The faulklands didn't protect my freedom, Vietnam didn't protect my freedom. All were pointless and just cost lives very very needlessly, and were all put into operation on a lie. The sooner people realize this and stop encouraging each other to go out and do these stupid things the sooner we can stop the pointless loss of our loved ones.

In my life time I'm not greatful to the army for anything. NOT ONE THING!

The only thing I am pro war about, is it is the last line of natural selection we have. Although that is not really true anymore when you look at the statistics of troops from the west who died in afghanistan/iraq compared to the number they anhiliated.

Seeing as this is in the 'let's get it on' section of this forum I am breaking no rules by EXPRESSING MY OPINION on this topic.

Not stopping you from expressing your opinion, Far from it.

And you are not breaking any rules in this section of the forum. And thank you for pointing out witch section we are in as any thing goes down. (Forgot that for a moment)

Don't know about your grandparents, but if you were my kid, you would not be walking for a month. Don't give 2 shits where you are from, where your grand parents fought or in witch war. Common courtesy is some thing most kids were taught some years ago. You young fuck wits seem to have lost that training or your parents forgot what it meant. No problem, I can come down to your level and converse in child speak.

Your opinion means jack to me.Could careless what you think about the army, the government or even me. You are so low on my to do list that it might be a year before I even think about you again.

Or in other words, talking about pond scum would be more interesting than listening to the dribble that pours out of your mouth.

Like wise so you have no problem with me saying what I'm saying.

[Andre]

You know Ghost theres a massive difference between our grandparents and parents joining the army to fight the war. This issue can be down to two words; Gain or Protect

Only yesterday some of our good old Australian army boys in Afghanistan were caught on facebook and texting saying they want to squash some sand niggers etc.that the locals stink and should be eradicated etc.One said he cant wait to run some fukker down in his tank. The percentage of mindless numnuts involved these days is much larger than in days past.
Our Grand parents and Parents were mostly of a different cut.
We also got picked on back then and there was a threat to us all at home and in the whole the world. The Japs wouldnt have stopped, the Germans wouldnt have stopped either. They threw the first punch both times.

We do the traveling to fight now and it is sold to us through the false religion excuse thats used by both sides on both sides. In reality it is control of people through oil prices and finances that is at the top priority of both 'sides'. Both sides leaders dupe their populations into hating each other. I see both 'sides' as actually being against freedom for all people. Most people dont want sides or conflict most want the cash wasted on battle poured into feeding dying countries and into fighting the evil bastards hurting those innocents on ground level.

We are shitting into nature,on animals and on other people and we are getting sold the excuses for why we can do it. Why we can allow a whole country to starve to death and yet we have to go and fight for another countries people! Bull shit! right there is living proof that it is all bull shit we are being fed.

You want to fight for that to continue? I dont. But I wont stop others their choice to do so because that would be control of their freedom of choice.

Wait until there is no finance to fight over, no oil price to control, no power grids to protect and all of our communications are down world wide. Even when the excuses for why are removed, some people will still continue to shoot others for gain and control. Thats where the line will be finally drawn. Long live the real protectors of others .

[Ghost]

Like wise so you have no problem with me saying what I'm saying.

You and miles are a pair. Both can not read or only read the parts you want to comment on.

Do I have a problem with you being a Bigot and a Racist? Nope. There are too many in the world to try and have a problem with that.

Do I have a problem with you using the label "Freedom of Speech" to offer your opinion on a forum. Nope, that's what people fought and died for since before you were born, my self included. The fact that you use it as blanket excuse to shit on people. You bet I do

Do I have a problem with your generation's lack of "Respect" and "Common Courtesy" of those around you and other peoples rights. You bet I do. But I blame the governments of the world for that and your parents. When they took away the right's of the parents to discipline their children, you'r generation is the result. "God" help those that follow this generation.

I could spend at least a week listing all the "Rights" of others this generation shit on daily, but I don't have the time or the energy to explain to you or any one else on here where your family made their mistakes in raising you.