P4P who was better: Nasem Hamed or Ricky Hatton?

[MadboyHandsomeJR]

wow there's no question in my mind that hamed is the p4p better fighter. yea he got spanked by MAB, but he had much more talent then hatton. Hamed was a creative and elusive boxer.yea he didnt really beat any great fighters but neither did ricky hatton. Fatton's best win was against an old tszyu and he only won that fight cuz biased ref let him rabbit punch hold and wrestle tszyu, other than that win dont see what's so special bout him. he's a little john ruiz always clinching holding while hitting tieing up you can call that inside fighting but plenty of fighters can fight on the inside wthout over using the clinch. brits luv to nuthugg hatton and always mention him on this site but i'd say he's more of a fan favorite then a legit p4p boxer. he beat paulie, carlos maussa and an worn out castillo (I thought he lost that fight against callazo) but got exposed and showed he didnt belong in the ring with floyd or pacman. sry for this mess of a post im a couple brews in and quite baked.cheers!

[Dark Lord Al]

Hamed was fun while he boxed old men and second raters , he had become totally relient on his power when he boxed MAB , a combination of the wrong trainers and the fact he had fought to many second rate fighters , any of the durable greats would have beaten that Hamed.
His leaping angles he gave in early fights were all but gone , he became a one paced power puncher with no defence.

[brocktonblockbust]

Hamed was fun while he boxed old men and second raters , he had become totally relient on his power when he boxed MAB , a combination of the wrong trainers and the fact he had fought to many second rate fighters , any of the durable greats would have beaten that Hamed.
His leaping angles he gave in early fights were all but gone , he became a one paced power puncher with no defence.

wtf this is making as much sense as your drinking style, which relies heavily upon finding the cheapest bilge water available and hyping it at luncheons as being top-notch brew.

[Dark Lord Al]

Hamed was fun while he boxed old men and second raters , he had become totally relient on his power when he boxed MAB , a combination of the wrong trainers and the fact he had fought to many second rate fighters , any of the durable greats would have beaten that Hamed.
His leaping angles he gave in early fights were all but gone , he became a one paced power puncher with no defence.

wtf this is making as much sense as your drinking style, which relies heavily upon finding the cheapest bilge water available and hyping it at luncheons as being top-notch brew.

Well if u dont understand the post maybe you could get a child to explain it to you , and then after a while u can talk to the adults of the forum.

[erics44]

Hamed was fun while he boxed old men and second raters , he had become totally relient on his power when he boxed MAB , a combination of the wrong trainers and the fact he had fought to many second rate fighters , any of the durable greats would have beaten that Hamed.
His leaping angles he gave in early fights were all but gone , he became a one paced power puncher with no defence.

wtf this is making as much sense as your drinking style, which relies heavily upon finding the cheapest bilge water available and hyping it at luncheons as being top-notch brew.

Well if u dont understand the post maybe you could get a child to explain it to you , and then after a while u can talk to the adults of the forum.

to be honest man i dont really understand it

are you saying hamed was special and then went shit? or are you saying he was never that good coz he always fought old timers? by 'that hamed' do you mean just the one that fought mab or the one that fought old timers?

so if any of the durable greats could have beaten the hamed that fought old timers and all hamed ever fought was old timers then any of the durable greats could have beaten hamed at any time in his career and 'that hamed' was the only hamed that ever was.

But hang on..... you suggest he used to have skills coz the leaping angles that had gone must have been once there

nope sorry dont get it

[brocktonblockbust]

there now erics44 is onto what i am saying. guess dark lord al didnt get it once and maybe wont get it twice. exactly erics44, you nailed it, i dont get it either.

[ono]

Hamed was fun while he boxed old men and second raters , he had become totally relient on his power when he boxed MAB , a combination of the wrong trainers and the fact he had fought to many second rate fighters , any of the durable greats would have beaten that Hamed.
His leaping angles he gave in early fights were all but gone , he became a one paced power puncher with no defence.

wtf this is making as much sense as your drinking style, which relies heavily upon finding the cheapest bilge water available and hyping it at luncheons as being top-notch brew.

Well if u dont understand the post maybe you could get a child to explain it to you , and then after a while u can talk to the adults of the forum.

to be honest man i dont really understand it

are you saying hamed was special and then went shit? or are you saying he was never that good coz he always fought old timers? by 'that hamed' do you mean just the one that fought mab or the one that fought old timers?

so if any of the durable greats could have beaten the hamed that fought old timers and all hamed ever fought was old timers then any of the durable greats could have beaten hamed at any time in his career and 'that hamed' was the only hamed that ever was.

But hang on..... you suggest he used to have skills coz the leaping angles that had gone must have been once there

nope sorry dont get it

It makes perfect sense.

Basically Big Gay Al is saying, that Naz did have talent, but he wasted his talented years fighting has-beens and overmatched fighters. He fought some good fighters, but by the time he faced MAB, he had transformed into a less effective fighter. His discipline was no longer there and he increasingly looked for the one big punch to end the fight.

A more youthful and disciplined Naz would have presented MAB with different problems. He might not have beaten him, but he would probably have been more competitive.

Easy peasy.

[Riggs]

Mmmm personally although a fan of both fighters I also feel let down by both - Naz for 'just quitting' and Ricky for his lack of dedication when it came to 100% dedication between fights.... Out of the the 2...well I'd probably go for Naz - if for nothing else than one of the most enjoyable fights against Kevin Kelly - the same night I went to see Reid lose to Malinga..... Actually watched the fight with next door neighbour who was Colin Harts brother as we couldn't afford sky....what a night!

[Dark Lord Al]

Hamed was fun while he boxed old men and second raters , he had become totally relient on his power when he boxed MAB , a combination of the wrong trainers and the fact he had fought to many second rate fighters , any of the durable greats would have beaten that Hamed.
His leaping angles he gave in early fights were all but gone , he became a one paced power puncher with no defence.

Ok im saying Hamed looked good and was fun to watch when he fought older fighters past their best or fighters just below the top so to speak.
As i stated , by the time he fought MAB , he was totally relient on power , gone were his angles and jack in a box unpredictability.
Any of the great fighters such as Nelson , Morales , etc , who could take his power , would school him.
His lack of angles also made him pretty easy to hit as MAB showed.
I hope this clears it up.
Please feel free to disagree , let me hear your thoughts guys n gals.

[Fenster]

Manny Steward says Morales was made for Naz. Too upright, too willing to trade. He wanted that fight instead of Barrera.

He also says Naz only lost to Barrera because he didn't train properly or respect him. I'm not sure that's true, however the "Little Prince" film showed Naz had completely lost the plot and clearly didn't give Barrera any respect.

I blame Allah. Naz put too much faith in that dude...

[brocktonblockbust]

lack of angles? if anything his ridiculously exaggerated angles made him look so buffoonish, so clownish and amateurish, that he'd have fared better had he simply held his ground and fought punch for punch with MAB. Who wanted to watch a balleting horse there, in the ring that night, making a donkey of himself? Quite like Merchant made of DLA in the 1st 2 rounds of their hypothetical fight last autumn in Yorkshire.

[Dark Lord Al]

lack of angles? if anything his ridiculously exaggerated angles made him look so buffoonish, so clownish and amateurish, that he'd have fared better had he simply held his ground and fought punch for punch with MAB. Who wanted to watch a balleting horse there, in the ring that night, making a donkey of himself? Quite like Merchant made of DLA in the 1st 2 rounds of their hypothetical fight last autumn in Yorkshire.

Hamed gave much more angles in his early career , he had alot of success with that tactic.
Maybe you havent seen all of Hamed's fights.

[brocktonblockbust]

yes Im saying precisely what youre saying, that Hamed at the beginning of his career gave much more and better angles than he did in that fight with MAB.

[skywalker]

U blame allah? Allah is da arabic term 4 god so just because he has a religion dusnt mean u blame allah for his defeat its a sport sumtums u win sumtyms u lose

[rjj tszyu]

U blame allah? Allah is da arabic term 4 god so just because he has a religion dusnt mean u blame allah for his defeat its a sport sumtums u win sumtyms u lose

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