Who was to blame for Billy Collins Jnr's Death?

[:::PSL:::]

No one.

[El Kabong]

Cuz except for beating Cotto's ass they did nothing wrong

A little correction here...they were only caught trying to load wraps vs Mosley. Since that is the only proof admisable in the court of law that is why their sentences were so soft because it was based more on "attempt" rather than the actual assault that happened. I like many Cotto fans point to how Margarito has responded since being caught by the authorities and hell you can look at Luis Resto and he lost by KO 3 times in his career and lost 8 times overall and I think the KO's he lost were to fighters of equal or lesser stature as Billy Collins Jr.

I think Antonio Margarito as a boer is 100% finished, I don't want Cotto to fight him again just because of the money Margarito would be making, he's a despicable person and a disgrace to the sport.

As for Billy Collins Jr., his death was due to a number of things #1 He had an addictive personality #2 His father treated him as a prodigy (from Mozart to Pistol Pete Maravich to Todd Marinovich they are RARELY happy) #3 The injuries sustained in the fight with Resto.....that was the icing on the cake. His father's attitude, the beating he took, the prolonged time outside of the ring, that allowed him to drink more and there you have it. It was "the perfect storm" for tragedy.

Sad that you would hate on your fellow American. The man should be allowed to earn a living

True - just not in a boxing ring.

The man should be allowed to earn a living in his skilled profession

So by your rational Bernard Madoff should have been allowed to continue what he was doing? Margarito cheated, it not only could have cost a fighter their livelihood as a boxer but their LIFE...no sir, Antonio Margarito does not belong in a boxing ring anymore.

When?

He attempted to cheat vs Mosley and was caught.

[Violent Demise]

Cuz except for beating Cotto's ass they did nothing wrong

A little correction here...they were only caught trying to load wraps vs Mosley. Since that is the only proof admisable in the court of law that is why their sentences were so soft because it was based more on "attempt" rather than the actual assault that happened. I like many Cotto fans point to how Margarito has responded since being caught by the authorities and hell you can look at Luis Resto and he lost by KO 3 times in his career and lost 8 times overall and I think the KO's he lost were to fighters of equal or lesser stature as Billy Collins Jr.

I think Antonio Margarito as a boer is 100% finished, I don't want Cotto to fight him again just because of the money Margarito would be making, he's a despicable person and a disgrace to the sport.

As for Billy Collins Jr., his death was due to a number of things #1 He had an addictive personality #2 His father treated him as a prodigy (from Mozart to Pistol Pete Maravich to Todd Marinovich they are RARELY happy) #3 The injuries sustained in the fight with Resto.....that was the icing on the cake. His father's attitude, the beating he took, the prolonged time outside of the ring, that allowed him to drink more and there you have it. It was "the perfect storm" for tragedy.

Sad that you would hate on your fellow American. The man should be allowed to earn a living

True - just not in a boxing ring.

The man should be allowed to earn a living in his skilled profession

So by your rational Bernard Madoff should have been allowed to continue what he was doing? Margarito cheated, it not only could have cost a fighter their livelihood as a boxer but their LIFE...no sir, Antonio Margarito does not belong in a boxing ring anymore.

When?

He attempted to cheat vs Mosley and was caught.

Big difference between murder and attempted murder. A guy who tried to kill someone but failed can't be called a murderer. Cuz he never succeeded. To call Margarito a cheater is nothing but slander on the mans name. He's never cheated

[boxingbantz]

Big difference between murder and attempted murder. A guy who tried to kill someone but failed can't be called a murderer. Cuz he never succeeded. To call Margarito a cheater is nothing but slander on the mans name. He's never cheated

When people are caught cheating, it is rarely the first time they have done it. It's just the first time that they have been caught...

[rjj tszyu]

Simple answer, haven't read the thread or any of the posts in it.

Panama Lewis

[El Kabong]

Big difference between murder and attempted murder. A guy who tried to kill someone but failed can't be called a murderer. Cuz he never succeeded. To call Margarito a cheater is nothing but slander on the mans name. He's never cheated

OK so by that rational then the Collins-Resto fight was the first and ONLY time Panama Lewis #1 Applied plaster of paris to his boxer's wraps and #2 Mixed drugs in his fighter's water to help them gain an advantage? I mean it's not like he was officially caught in the Arguello-Pryor match where he asked for the black water bottle "the one I mixed"


In my opinion in BOXING where life is already on the line even when every single safety measure is adhered to, the simple ATTEMPT to cheat by loading wraps should be punishable with a lifetime ban.

[greynotsoold]

I'm pretty sure that Panama Lewis removed padding from the gloves, not that he used plaster wraps. He got caught when Coliins Sr. shook hands with Resto and felt that there was no padding in the gloves and he alerted a ringside official.

[armyash]

I'm pretty sure that Panama Lewis removed padding from the gloves, not that he used plaster wraps. He got caught when Coliins Sr. shook hands with Resto and felt that there was no padding in the gloves and he alerted a ringside official.

yep can see that pretty clearly in the vid i posted

[El Kabong]

I'm pretty sure that Panama Lewis removed padding from the gloves, not that he used plaster wraps. He got caught when Coliins Sr. shook hands with Resto and felt that there was no padding in the gloves and he alerted a ringside official.

And I'm pretty sure Luis Resto said Panama also put plaster of paris wraps on his hands.

[:::PSL:::]

Cuz except for beating Cotto's ass they did nothing wrong

A little correction here...they were only caught trying to load wraps vs Mosley. Since that is the only proof admisable in the court of law that is why their sentences were so soft because it was based more on "attempt" rather than the actual assault that happened. I like many Cotto fans point to how Margarito has responded since being caught by the authorities and hell you can look at Luis Resto and he lost by KO 3 times in his career and lost 8 times overall and I think the KO's he lost were to fighters of equal or lesser stature as Billy Collins Jr.

I think Antonio Margarito as a boer is 100% finished, I don't want Cotto to fight him again just because of the money Margarito would be making, he's a despicable person and a disgrace to the sport.

As for Billy Collins Jr., his death was due to a number of things #1 He had an addictive personality #2 His father treated him as a prodigy (from Mozart to Pistol Pete Maravich to Todd Marinovich they are RARELY happy) #3 The injuries sustained in the fight with Resto.....that was the icing on the cake. His father's attitude, the beating he took, the prolonged time outside of the ring, that allowed him to drink more and there you have it. It was "the perfect storm" for tragedy.

Sad that you would hate on your fellow American. The man should be allowed to earn a living

True - just not in a boxing ring.

The man should be allowed to earn a living in his skilled profession

So by your rational Bernard Madoff should have been allowed to continue what he was doing? Margarito cheated, it not only could have cost a fighter their livelihood as a boxer but their LIFE...no sir, Antonio Margarito does not belong in a boxing ring anymore.

When?

He attempted to cheat vs Mosley and was caught.

Big difference between murder and attempted murder. A guy who tried to kill someone but failed can't be called a murderer. Cuz he never succeeded. To call Margarito a cheater is nothing but slander on the mans name. He's never cheated

He got caught in his own locker room. His hands were already wrapped illegaly. That right there, is presently cheating. And the past tense of "cheating" is CHEATED.

[BIG H]

Cuz except for beating Cotto's ass they did nothing wrong

A little correction here...they were only caught trying to load wraps vs Mosley. Since that is the only proof admisable in the court of law that is why their sentences were so soft because it was based more on "attempt" rather than the actual assault that happened. I like many Cotto fans point to how Margarito has responded since being caught by the authorities and hell you can look at Luis Resto and he lost by KO 3 times in his career and lost 8 times overall and I think the KO's he lost were to fighters of equal or lesser stature as Billy Collins Jr.

I think Antonio Margarito as a boer is 100% finished, I don't want Cotto to fight him again just because of the money Margarito would be making, he's a despicable person and a disgrace to the sport.

As for Billy Collins Jr., his death was due to a number of things #1 He had an addictive personality #2 His father treated him as a prodigy (from Mozart to Pistol Pete Maravich to Todd Marinovich they are RARELY happy) #3 The injuries sustained in the fight with Resto.....that was the icing on the cake. His father's attitude, the beating he took, the prolonged time outside of the ring, that allowed him to drink more and there you have it. It was "the perfect storm" for tragedy.

Sad that you would hate on your fellow American. The man should be allowed to earn a living

True - just not in a boxing ring.

The man should be allowed to earn a living in his skilled profession

So by your rational Bernard Madoff should have been allowed to continue what he was doing? Margarito cheated, it not only could have cost a fighter their livelihood as a boxer but their LIFE...no sir, Antonio Margarito does not belong in a boxing ring anymore.

When?

He attempted to cheat vs Mosley and was caught.

Big difference between murder and attempted murder. A guy who tried to kill someone but failed can't be called a murderer. Cuz he never succeeded. To call Margarito a cheater is nothing but slander on the mans name. He's never cheated

Coz he would be much more likely to have chosen to tamper with his gloves for the 1st time against a 38 year old Mosely rather than a 32-0 Cotto Nothing is proven, but highly unlikely that after 42 fights and having fought Willaims, Cintron and Cotto that he would then chose to start playing with wraps.