Margarito and the wraps

[erics44]

im not sure its certainly posible

Mosely isnt exactly innocent of cheating himself tho

[El Kabong]

im not sure its certainly posible

Mosely isnt exactly innocent of cheating himself tho

Fair enough

All I will point to with Margarito is his record since he was caught cheating 1-2 with 0 Knockouts.

Also since the BALCO scandal broke in 2002 Mosley's record ain't all that geat either, though Shane has gotten older anyway so it's kind of harder to determine how much roids helped him.

[greynotsoold]

I truly hope the allegations are not true. I saw Magarito fight when he was 18 years old, against Alfred Ankamah at the Forum in LA, and was very impressed by his toughness. Ankamah- who was 14-2, 14KOs at the time- hit him a terrific shot to the liver and Magarito dropped; it was the kind of shot that ends fights. But he got up and kod Ankamah in the next round. He has never been the most skilled fighter, and if I stood up right now and threw a few punches, at least one is likely to hit him, but Magarito has always been very strong, tough and determined.
About the wraps... I'm not too clear on how that would work in the first place; I just can't picture how you could, in essence, put casts on a guys hands, have them harden in time for the fight, and then put gloves on over them. Also, wouldn't his arms get awfully heavy as the fight progressed? And Magarito didn't knock out too many guys early- in fact he tended to come on late. Did he, in theory, do this in every fight? How come he didn't stop Williams, then? He hit him with some really clean right hands...
In the Cotto fight, I thought Magarito would be too big and strong for Cotto and would stop him late anyway. Cotto didn't take punches all that well against Torres and his punch is the left hook to the body which means he's going to exchanging punches with a bigger stronger guy. I didn't see anything unexpected happen in that fight.

[fan johnny]

The Cotto fight is used as evidence to say to say we think so, but there isn't enough fight evidence after Cotto to prove it either. I can't really say he did or didn't. Let him fight Martinez and Paul Williams again.

[rjj tszyu]

For me he used them vs Cotto. Cotto's face was worsening with each punch!

[El Kabong]

For me he used them vs Cotto. Cotto's face was worsening with each punch!

As for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....

...after the Cotto fight.

You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.

[fan johnny]

For me he used them vs Cotto. Cotto's face was worsening with each punch!

As for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....

...after the Cotto fight.

You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.

Maybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.

[El Kabong]

Maybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.

Very true, but that would involve proper oversight, non-smarmy people, and common sense and well, this is boxing

[:::PSL:::]

For me he used them vs Cotto. Cotto's face was worsening with each punch!

As for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....

...after the Cotto fight.

You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.

Maybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.

They do inspect them right after the fight. Not thoroughly though.

[erics44]

im not sure its certainly posible

Mosely isnt exactly innocent of cheating himself tho

Fair enough

All I will point to with Margarito is his record since he was caught cheating 1-2 with 0 Knockouts.

Also since the BALCO scandal broke in 2002 Mosley's record ain't all that geat either, though Shane has gotten older anyway so it's kind of harder to determine how much roids helped him.

im not sure you can use margaritos record against him like that

he lost to mosely but he had just been caught, i reckon when you get to that level the affect that that can have on you mentally can lose you the fight

his other loss was against pac and i thought he put in a decent performance when you compare it to pacs other recent opponents

[Master]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

[rjj tszyu]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

[Chino]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

[El Kabong]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

This has always puzzled me, but I believe that the mental/psychological edge of having loaded wraps helps a fighter's chin or at least it gives them the courage to take punishment as they know full well that the beating they are handing out is much more painful and destructive to anything they might receive.

Look at Margarito fight vs Mosley...he attempted to use his same style but he was a little more timid after feeling Shane's punches which wouldn't have happened if Margarito had his loaded wraps...just my opinion though.

Look at Resto vs Collins...by all means Collins nailed Resto with plenty of power shots that really should have hurt him or stopped him or slowed him down and in previous fights it would have, but he had loaded wraps AND gloves that had been tampered with and that gave Resto the courage (and I use that term ever so loosely in describing what he felt) to keep attacking Collins.

I think loaded wraps gives a fighter a mental edge plain and simple....we'll see how this plays out with Cotto-Margarito II though, I think Miguel can stop him this go round.

[TitoFan]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

You have a point. However.... I think the reason the punches had little effect is the way Cotto threw them. He never really committed to the punches.... they were thrown from the back foot. Compare that to Mosley, who took Margarito apart by throwing himself into his punches. Hopefully, Emanuel Stewart will have corrected that strategy, and Cotto's punches will be more effective. After all, Cotto does not have a history of being a soft puncher. The one thing that worries me is the mental aspect.... as Cotto suffered a lot of punishment in their first fight, probably as a result of the loaded wraps. How else to explain the abnormal damage to Cotto's face? A bit of sweet justice was handed out by Pacquaio, who proceeded to bust up Margacheato's face WITHOUT the use of suspect wraps. Cotto's pretty strong mentally, so.... although Margacheato does not DESERVE a 2nd fight.... you can't rule Cotto out.