Margarito and the wraps

[BIG H]

Do you believe that Antonio Margarito only attempted to use loaded wraps for the Shane Mosley fight? Do you think he had used them before that fight or at multiple occasions during his career?

Discuss

Like I just said in the other thread. It's very unlikely that after 42 fights and having just being in with a 32-0 Cotto, that he would decide that a 38 year old Mosely would be the first fight that he decided to and felt the need to tamper with his wraps, I mean 'come on' !!!

[generalbulldog]

Margarito didn't use loaded gloves, just like OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife.

[BIG H]

Margarito didn't use loaded gloves, just like OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife.

...and Bill Clinton didn't shove a Cigarre up Monica Lewinski's clout

[Mr140]

I say no because i cant really point out when he used then also he has never been know for his punching power at all. I think if he did load his gloves Cotto would of been knocked out sooner and Willaims would of been stop as well. But it doesn't really matter now because all we can do is guess when he tried to load his gloves, or that he never loading them at all.

[Jesus "Weirdo" Medina]

i think it is unlikely that he used loaded gloves. he could have but if he had used them before in other fights wouldnt he have gotten caught using them? or attempting to use them?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

i think it is unlikely that he used loaded gloves. he could have but if he had used them before in other fights wouldnt he have gotten caught using them? or attempting to use them?

Luis Resto admitted that his trainer tampered with the gloves at least twice before the Collins fight and no one even suspected it.

Richardson was just observant enough to have caught the loaded wraps on Margarito.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I say no because i cant really point out when he used then also he has never been know for his punching power at all. I think if he did load his gloves Cotto would of been knocked out sooner and Willaims would of been stop as well. But it doesn't really matter now because all we can do is guess when he tried to load his gloves, or that he never loading them at all.

Not really. Luis Resto did not knock Billy Collins Jr. out with loaded gloves.

[Puerto Rican Punch]

This f...ing cheater should not be allowed to fight anymore. Of course is very likely that he had used the loaded wraps before. Probably we can guess when he started loooking at the frequency of his KOs.

[Pavlik]

Absolutely sure he did cheat before, he was not near as damaging in the Mosely, Garcia and Pacquiao fights. This guy is a freakin bully and cheat I hate him.

[TitoFan]

Do you believe that Antonio Margarito only attempted to use loaded wraps for the Shane Mosley fight? Do you think he had used them before that fight or at multiple occasions during his career?

Discuss

Like I just said in the other thread. It's very unlikely that after 42 fights and having just being in with a 32-0 Cotto, that he would decide that a 38 year old Mosely would be the first fight that he decided to and felt the need to tamper with his wraps, I mean 'come on' !!!

Ahhhhhh...... pre-CISE-ly.... my dear Watson.

[Beanflicker]

Anyone who thinks that was the first time is INCREDIBLY niave. The guy spends years toiling on undercards and working his way up, he finally gets his huge PPV win against Cotto, and NOW he decided to cheat against a washed up Mosley? There's no way any rational thinking mind can buy that.

Why would he risk it in such a high profile fight? Obviously, because he was confident that he would get away with it. And keep in mind HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT if it wasn't for Mosley's camp. How long has he been using them before the Mosley fight? Who knows. But be sure he used them and got away with it in previous fight(s).

Us boxing fans (and sports fans in general) have this incredibly niave notion that cheating doesn't prosper, and that it doesn't go on. Reality is a bit different. Whenever the "cheating" discussion is brought up, you always hear people say "Nah he's not cheating, he doesn't seem like that kind of person". We don't know these guys, and cheaters come with all sorts of different personalities.

[El Kabong]

You hit the nail on the head...it's just like with Barry Bonds, apparently we the simple minded sports fans are supposed to believe that everyone BUT Barry Bonds knew that Balco and Greg Anderson were giving them steroids.....I mean that's just so ridiculous it's laughable.

[greynotsoold]

I'm not sure you can say that Margarito hasn't looked good lately because he hasn't been loading his wraps. He turned pro at 15, so he's been fighting a long time. As to whether or not he has used illegal wraps his whole career, I don't know. It would be interesting to me to know how many different trainers/guys wrapping his hands he has had over the years. If the number was one, that being the guy he got rid of after the Mosley fight I'd be more apt to believe that it was not an isolated occurence. If it was several different guys, and we knew for sure that this had gone on with each or most of them, then I think it would indicate that his is not an isolated case and that this sort of thing is more common than we might think. If you think about it...Haven't you noticed how some fighters never seem to mark up their opponents while others do tremendous damage? Gunboat Smith, 40 years ago, was amazed that any damage was ever done with the "pillows" used for gloves at that time, and now the padding has increased considerably since then.

[BoxingGorilla]

I voted not sure. I think he did, but, I'm not sure.

[IamInuit]

Good morning/afternoon gentlemen. Evening to the Brits. This seemed as good a thread as any to make my first post. Nice site. Lots of boxing savvy people here. Excuse my long winded first post. Although there is no physical evidence glove specific on the question of whether he cheated or not prior to the Shane incident, there is physical evidence imo symbiotic somewhat with the circumstantial. It’s certainly not hard to formulate the theory that he did. The conclusion I have drawn is that he most certainly did.

I first took notice and started to wonder after the fight with Lujan. How do you rip a man’s ear off? Fluke accident? I think not and given what has taken place since my cynicism would seem justified. The second Santo’s fight was quite a set back, I believe Lujan was the guinea pig of sorts and that’s when they started to cheat. In my opinion somebody dropped the ball not asking to check his wraps after seeing that kind of physical damage. His ear was physical evidence that something was amuck Can’t say too much about the first Cintron fight other than Cintron was never hurt in his entire career prior to that if I recall correctly.

When you jump ahead to the Williams fight there is not anything that stands out really except that Margarito could have came out bare knuckle and that would have been a tough fight for him given Williams style and physical attributes. The second Cintron fight does not say much as it was a body shot.

Move ahead to Cotto and the first mistake was not having anyone from his corner watching Margarito’s wraps and let’s face it, outside a few strict State Commissions, the signing off on wraps is pretty lax on this side of the pond. Half these people that are certified to do so probably attended a few classes and watched a few power point presentations and got the certificate. They merely go through the motions when they are watching. In the end, Cotto looked like he had been beaten half to death with a meat tenderizer. You simply do not see that kind of physical damage to a face all that often.

With Shane good ole Richardson being at the right place at the right time as he was with Tito. In the end one is left with a question which has been alluded to in this very thread. Why would they attempt to cheat on a washed up Shane and not a prime Cotto?

Resto never fought again and spent three years in jail and Lewis a buck and a half in the joint and was banished from ever being in someone’s corner again. Margarito is making millions dollars after getting caught attempting to do the same thing Resto did.

Thanks for hearing me out.