Margarito and the wraps

[erics44]

im not sure its certainly posible

Mosely isnt exactly innocent of cheating himself tho

Fair enough

All I will point to with Margarito is his record since he was caught cheating 1-2 with 0 Knockouts.

Also since the BALCO scandal broke in 2002 Mosley's record ain't all that geat either, though Shane has gotten older anyway so it's kind of harder to determine how much roids helped him.

im not sure you can use margaritos record against him like that

he lost to mosely but he had just been caught, i reckon when you get to that level the affect that that can have on you mentally can lose you the fight

his other loss was against pac and i thought he put in a decent performance when you compare it to pacs other recent opponents

[Master]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

[rjj tszyu]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

[Chino]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

[El Kabong]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

This has always puzzled me, but I believe that the mental/psychological edge of having loaded wraps helps a fighter's chin or at least it gives them the courage to take punishment as they know full well that the beating they are handing out is much more painful and destructive to anything they might receive.

Look at Margarito fight vs Mosley...he attempted to use his same style but he was a little more timid after feeling Shane's punches which wouldn't have happened if Margarito had his loaded wraps...just my opinion though.

Look at Resto vs Collins...by all means Collins nailed Resto with plenty of power shots that really should have hurt him or stopped him or slowed him down and in previous fights it would have, but he had loaded wraps AND gloves that had been tampered with and that gave Resto the courage (and I use that term ever so loosely in describing what he felt) to keep attacking Collins.

I think loaded wraps gives a fighter a mental edge plain and simple....we'll see how this plays out with Cotto-Margarito II though, I think Miguel can stop him this go round.

[fugaziuk]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

This has always puzzled me, but I believe that the mental/psychological edge of having loaded wraps helps a fighter's chin or at least it gives them the courage to take punishment as they know full well that the beating they are handing out is much more painful and destructive to anything they might receive.

Look at Margarito fight vs Mosley...he attempted to use his same style but he was a little more timid after feeling Shane's punches which wouldn't have happened if Margarito had his loaded wraps...just my opinion though.

Look at Resto vs Collins...by all means Collins nailed Resto with plenty of power shots that really should have hurt him or stopped him or slowed him down and in previous fights it would have, but he had loaded wraps AND gloves that had been tampered with and that gave Resto the courage (and I use that term ever so loosely in describing what he felt) to keep attacking Collins.

I think loaded wraps gives a fighter a mental edge plain and simple....we'll see how this plays out with Cotto-Margarito II though, I think Miguel can stop him this go round.

Sorry mate but i disagree with you on this - if your clocked with a knockout punch it doesn't matter if your dressed in chain mail, have glass tapped to your fists and spikes in your boots - 9/10 you are going to go down. Wether Maragrito used loaded wraps or not in the cotto fight - there is no denying that he had/has a granite chin and Cotto hit him with everything he had. This is why he lost he went out and executed his game plan to perfection and Margarito just kept coming at him.

[boxingbantz]

Like I just said in the other thread. It's very unlikely that after 42 fights and having just being in with a 32-0 Cotto, that he would decide that a 38 year old Mosely would be the first fight that he decided to and felt the need to tamper with his wraps, I mean 'come on' !!!

You've just hit the nail on the head mate.

[porkypara]

Boxing is a sport that even at its safest is still dangerous and can casue death.


With this in mind only in the fucked up sport of boxing would sombody be alowed to fight again after getting caught doing what AM did.His opponents could and still might have long term damage because of his action.

Margrito is a selfish prick who in my eyes at least has got away with assualt using a weapon.

[TitoFan]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

You have a point. However.... I think the reason the punches had little effect is the way Cotto threw them. He never really committed to the punches.... they were thrown from the back foot. Compare that to Mosley, who took Margarito apart by throwing himself into his punches. Hopefully, Emanuel Stewart will have corrected that strategy, and Cotto's punches will be more effective. After all, Cotto does not have a history of being a soft puncher. The one thing that worries me is the mental aspect.... as Cotto suffered a lot of punishment in their first fight, probably as a result of the loaded wraps. How else to explain the abnormal damage to Cotto's face? A bit of sweet justice was handed out by Pacquaio, who proceeded to bust up Margacheato's face WITHOUT the use of suspect wraps. Cotto's pretty strong mentally, so.... although Margacheato does not DESERVE a 2nd fight.... you can't rule Cotto out.

[Chino]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

You have a point. However.... I think the reason the punches had little effect is the way Cotto threw them. He never really committed to the punches.... they were thrown from the back foot. Compare that to Mosley, who took Margarito apart by throwing himself into his punches. Hopefully, Emanuel Stewart will have corrected that strategy, and Cotto's punches will be more effective. After all, Cotto does not have a history of being a soft puncher. The one thing that worries me is the mental aspect.... as Cotto suffered a lot of punishment in their first fight, probably as a result of the loaded wraps. How else to explain the abnormal damage to Cotto's face? A bit of sweet justice was handed out by Pacquaio, who proceeded to bust up Margacheato's face WITHOUT the use of suspect wraps. Cotto's pretty strong mentally, so.... although Margacheato does not DESERVE a 2nd fight.... you can't rule Cotto out.

Cotto threw the punches on the back foot once he started to get hurt but not at the first half of the fight. Cotto still can pack a punch back pedal or not. Margarito still walked through them without even showing any signs of getting hurt. We might see a different fight considering how Cotto has changed trainer and may feel more comfortable after his last fights. Let's wait and see.

[TitoFan]

Whilst I believe Marg did cheat I was impressed by his performance against Pac Man and believe he does deserve to fight Cotto.

I think Cotto takes him apart this time!

Loaded wraps or not, Cotto couldn't even make Margarito flinch with all the punches he received straight to his face and body. Unless Margarito dipped himself in plaster before the fight.

You have a point. However.... I think the reason the punches had little effect is the way Cotto threw them. He never really committed to the punches.... they were thrown from the back foot. Compare that to Mosley, who took Margarito apart by throwing himself into his punches. Hopefully, Emanuel Stewart will have corrected that strategy, and Cotto's punches will be more effective. After all, Cotto does not have a history of being a soft puncher. The one thing that worries me is the mental aspect.... as Cotto suffered a lot of punishment in their first fight, probably as a result of the loaded wraps. How else to explain the abnormal damage to Cotto's face? A bit of sweet justice was handed out by Pacquaio, who proceeded to bust up Margacheato's face WITHOUT the use of suspect wraps. Cotto's pretty strong mentally, so.... although Margacheato does not DESERVE a 2nd fight.... you can't rule Cotto out.

Cotto threw the punches on the back foot once he started to get hurt but not at the first half of the fight. Cotto still can pack a punch back pedal or not. Margarito still walked through them without even showing any signs of getting hurt. We might see a different fight considering how Cotto has changed trainer and may feel more comfortable after his last fights. Let's wait and see.

I have to say, I never watched the fight again (didn't want to). But if I remember correctly from the 1st time, most of Cotto's combinations to Margarito's head (even from the beginning of the fight), came while Cotto was with his back to the ropes. Not once did he make Margarito back up. He always fought defensively. Yes, with his good boxing skills and good combinations, he hit Margarito numerous times. But Margarito's strong chin, coupled with Cotto's style of throwing punches, at least in THAT fight, made it so that Margarito could walk right through the shots. Pacquiao didn't knock down Margarito either. Why? 'Cause he also didn't commit to his shots like Mosley did. Pacquiao, however, had more stamina and speed against Margarito than Cotto did when HE fought Margarito. So he busted up Margarito and easily won the fight. You have to make Margarito back up. He's a big, strong welter, with the body frame to easily be a good-sized middleweight.

But yeah.... there's no telling WHAT'S gonna happen in the rematch. Cotto will have to beat the mental demons and follow Emanuel's instructions to a "T" to have a good chance of winning this fight.