Low Carb Diet

[AdamGB]

Ketosis isn't healthy long term on the liver.

[iceman]

nor the breath...

[AdamGB]

lol yeah... I'm of the frame of mind that if your breath/shit smell toxic then your insides aren't too healthy.

The approach I take with guys I train? I don't just want them to look fit and healthy... I want them to be fit and healthy... pointless just looking it but not being it.

[BIG H]

Ketosis isn't healthy long term on the liver.

I haven't found any evidence to support that

[AdamGB]

Ketosis isn't healthy long term on the liver.

I haven't found any evidence to support that

Where did you look... because typing 'Ketosis liver health' in google (let alone actual, published sources) throws up 100s of hits... only looked at the first one, which is from the NHS itself:

Ketosis - NHS Choices

"If left to build up, ketones can increase the acidity levels of your blood, which can affect your urine and may eventually cause serious damage to your liver and kidneys.
Your body may try to get rid of the excess amount of acetone through your lungs, which can give your breath a sweet, fruity smell that is sometimes mistaken for alcohol."

You'll hear different claims about the extent and risk of liver damage... but to say there's no evidence simply isn't true.

It's a divisive topic, but usually when you see a source completely denying any risk of liver damage... they normally have some finical interest in the whole low carb trend we've seen over the past few years.

Nothing wrong with increasing your intake of good fats and eliminating or reducing the amount of refined carbohydrates in your diet, but taking things to any extreme never good in the long run.

A lot of people have a tendency to assume that if it's not a low or no carb diet... then it must be a high carb diet.

To quote my Great Gran, who lived to 106 - "Moderation in all things"

[AdamGB]

That being said, I sure did enjoy the toast, peanut butter and whey protein porridge I had for breakfast, chicken, wholemeal bagel and salad that I had for my lunch, protein oat flapjack for a snack and sweet potatos and meatballs I had for dinner. Cottage Cheese on Rivita for supper is as close to low carb as you'll see me get!

Diet is probably on 35/35/30 split... give or take, just eat half based off what I know is good and half based off what I feel my body craves depending on my training etc

Try and get at least 20-30g of protein when ever I eat, eat only wholegrain cabrs (the less processed the better... OATS!) plent of nuts and oily fish when I can and constant fruit and veg. Nothing more complicated than that... no cycling, no breaks... just something healthy and sustainable.

Had my bodyfat tested today (don't normally monitor it but was testing our new B.I. scales at work) and it currently stands at 8%... considering training isn't as heavy at the moment due to a bit of sciatica must be doing something right!

For me, personally these low carb diets are an over reaction to the need to remove refined and highly concentrated carbs from your diet. It's like hitting a picture tack in with a sledgehammer (the only 'tyre' I beat with a sledgehammer is a tractor tyre! )

I get that they work for some people and not for others, but for me, my concern has always been overall health and fitness... not just 'weight'.

Like I've said before... if you have a lot to cut and it works for you then go for it... but only short time... I definitely wouldn't recommend it as a long term diet... but I guess that depends on your personal definition of health and fitness.

[BIG H]

That being said, I sure did enjoy the toast, peanut butter and whey protein porridge I had for breakfast, chicken, wholemeal bagel and salad that I had for my lunch, protein oat flapjack for a snack and sweet potatos and meatballs I had for dinner. Cottage Cheese on Rivita for supper is as close to low carb as you'll see me get!

Diet is probably on 35/35/30 split... give or take, just eat half based off what I know is good and half based off what I feel my body craves depending on my training etc

Try and get at least 20-30g of protein when ever I eat, eat only wholegrain cabrs (the less processed the better... OATS!) plent of nuts and oily fish when I can and constant fruit and veg. Nothing more complicated than that... no cycling, no breaks... just something healthy and sustainable.

Had my bodyfat tested today (don't normally monitor it but was testing our new B.I. scales at work) and it currently stands at 8%... considering training isn't as heavy at the moment due to a bit of sciatica must be doing something right!

For me, personally these low carb diets are an over reaction to the need to remove refined and highly concentrated carbs from your diet. It's like hitting a picture tack in with a sledgehammer (the only 'tyre' I beat with a sledgehammer is a tractor tyre! )

I get that they work for some people and not for others, but for me, my concern has always been overall health and fitness... not just 'weight'.

Like I've said before... if you have a lot to cut and it works for you then go for it... but only short time... I definitely wouldn't recommend it as a long term diet... but I guess that depends on your personal definition of health and fitness.

That's because you're not fat!! Try being so fat that you don't want to leave the house and have no desire or zest for life whatsoever. I'm not there now, but I have been and you'll do just about anything to lose weight and stock feeling that way, even if it at severe risk to your health.

P.S I am not saying this in a 'snotty' way, I'm just telling you how it is for some people

[AdamGB]

That being said, I sure did enjoy the toast, peanut butter and whey protein porridge I had for breakfast, chicken, wholemeal bagel and salad that I had for my lunch, protein oat flapjack for a snack and sweet potatos and meatballs I had for dinner. Cottage Cheese on Rivita for supper is as close to low carb as you'll see me get!

Diet is probably on 35/35/30 split... give or take, just eat half based off what I know is good and half based off what I feel my body craves depending on my training etc

Try and get at least 20-30g of protein when ever I eat, eat only wholegrain cabrs (the less processed the better... OATS!) plent of nuts and oily fish when I can and constant fruit and veg. Nothing more complicated than that... no cycling, no breaks... just something healthy and sustainable.

Had my bodyfat tested today (don't normally monitor it but was testing our new B.I. scales at work) and it currently stands at 8%... considering training isn't as heavy at the moment due to a bit of sciatica must be doing something right!

For me, personally these low carb diets are an over reaction to the need to remove refined and highly concentrated carbs from your diet. It's like hitting a picture tack in with a sledgehammer (the only 'tyre' I beat with a sledgehammer is a tractor tyre! )

I get that they work for some people and not for others, but for me, my concern has always been overall health and fitness... not just 'weight'.

Like I've said before... if you have a lot to cut and it works for you then go for it... but only short time... I definitely wouldn't recommend it as a long term diet... but I guess that depends on your personal definition of health and fitness.

That's because you're not fat!! Try being so fat that you don't want to leave the house and have no desire or zest for life whatsoever. I'm not there now, but I have been and you'll do just about anything to lose weight and stock feeling that way, even if it at severe risk to your health.

P.S I am not saying this in a 'snotty' way, I'm just telling you how it is for some people

I know exactly where you're coming from, but I'm not just talking about my personal approach, but my approach with those who I train, many of whom used to be overweight.

These Low Carb diets are all about controlling blood sugar/insulin to help reduce the calorie retention that high blood sugar and the resulting high insulin levels that it gives. My approach has always been towards sensible eating and exercising.

Avoiding the awful carbs and exercising correctly will control insulin levels/sensitivity just as much as low carbing will for most people with the added benefit that you don't miss out on the various minerals, vitamins and fibre that you get from grains and you get fitter as you shed pounds.

That being said, although I have my views and methods I do try and keep a little open... there are wrong ways to do things but there are also lots of right ways, if it works for you it works. I'm always keen to emphasise caution when doing drastic cuts like this, if I seem like I am out right dismissing low carb diets then that is probably why.

[BIG H]

That being said, I sure did enjoy the toast, peanut butter and whey protein porridge I had for breakfast, chicken, wholemeal bagel and salad that I had for my lunch, protein oat flapjack for a snack and sweet potatos and meatballs I had for dinner. Cottage Cheese on Rivita for supper is as close to low carb as you'll see me get!

Diet is probably on 35/35/30 split... give or take, just eat half based off what I know is good and half based off what I feel my body craves depending on my training etc

Try and get at least 20-30g of protein when ever I eat, eat only wholegrain cabrs (the less processed the better... OATS!) plent of nuts and oily fish when I can and constant fruit and veg. Nothing more complicated than that... no cycling, no breaks... just something healthy and sustainable.

Had my bodyfat tested today (don't normally monitor it but was testing our new B.I. scales at work) and it currently stands at 8%... considering training isn't as heavy at the moment due to a bit of sciatica must be doing something right!

For me, personally these low carb diets are an over reaction to the need to remove refined and highly concentrated carbs from your diet. It's like hitting a picture tack in with a sledgehammer (the only 'tyre' I beat with a sledgehammer is a tractor tyre! )

I get that they work for some people and not for others, but for me, my concern has always been overall health and fitness... not just 'weight'.

Like I've said before... if you have a lot to cut and it works for you then go for it... but only short time... I definitely wouldn't recommend it as a long term diet... but I guess that depends on your personal definition of health and fitness.

That's because you're not fat!! Try being so fat that you don't want to leave the house and have no desire or zest for life whatsoever. I'm not there now, but I have been and you'll do just about anything to lose weight and stock feeling that way, even if it at severe risk to your health.

P.S I am not saying this in a 'snotty' way, I'm just telling you how it is for some people

I know exactly where you're coming from, but I'm not just talking about my personal approach, but my approach with those who I train, many of whom used to be overweight.

These Low Carb diets are all about controlling blood sugar/insulin to help reduce the calorie retention that high blood sugar and the resulting high insulin levels that it gives. My approach has always been towards sensible eating and exercising.

Avoiding the awful carbs and exercising correctly will control insulin levels/sensitivity just as much as low carbing will for most people with the added benefit that you don't miss out on the various minerals, vitamins and fibre that you get from grains and you get fitter as you shed pounds.

That being said, although I have my views and methods I do try and keep a little open... there are wrong ways to do things but there are also lots of right ways, if it works for you it works. I'm always keen to emphasise caution when doing drastic cuts like this, if I seem like I am out right dismissing low carb diets then that is probably why.

I wish you were training me fella - coz I am fucking useless!! Got the gym part all sorted, but the food is crap. I could probably manage to lose weight the 'healthy' weigh, but it would take me 3 months to get to where I want to be and I have such a 'quick fix' want it now' mentality, that I just can't see the long term

[iceman]

try a modified Paleo diet...eat some grains but don't go nuts

[AdamGB]

But go nuts for nuts!