should mayweather continue to be ranked in the top P4P in 2011?

[IamInuit]

Define this term p4p. What does it mean?

[Spicoli]

Define this term p4p. What does it mean?

..... Has to be one of these...or all 4

[IamInuit]

Define this term p4p. What does it mean?

..... Has to be one of these...or all 4

Lol. Cheers.

[marbleheadmaui]

Define this term p4p. What does it mean?

THAT is of course the essential question. What it mean in Robinson's time was something like the following "If all fighters brought their natural gifts and acquired skills into one weight division? Who would be the champion?"

In other words in ANY comparison, Ray Robinson was a VERY tall welter, so he'd be a VERY tall light heavy (6'3?) or a very tall feather (5'9?) and given he was a legendary puncher at 147, he'd be a legendary (Foster-like) puncher at 175 or a legendary (Saddler-like) puncher at feather. Etc. Etc. Etc.

In today's terms, for example, I could readily see the 130 pound Manny P. (had he progressed technically to where he is today) being p4p #1. What I just cannot see is a short, unmdersized welterweight being p4p #1.

But I think your point may be that today we lack a common definition and I'd have to agree with that.

[Mr140]

Marble to me i think Pound for pound is flawed because when your bigger your style would be different. I mean look at Wlad then look at Pac, if Pac was Wlad size think he fight differently. Only reason they came out with pound for pound is because they wanted to rank Robinson best fighter in the world. Which they could not do with out pound for pound because heavyweights would kill Robinson.

[marbleheadmaui]

Marble to me i think Pound for pound is flawed because when your bigger your style would be different. I mean look at Wlad then look at Pac, if Pac was Wlad size think he fight differently. Only reason they came out with pound for pound is because they wanted to rank Robinson best fighter in the world. Which they could not do with out pound for pound because heavyweights would kill Robinson.

The p4p concept pre-dates Ray Robinson by at least twenty years. The term was applied to Tony Canzoneri and for all I know was applied to others earlier.

The assumption behind p4p is that you're wrong The assumption says if Manny was a heavy he'd be a lightning fast, enormously athletic, undersized heavyweight and that he could fight that style at say 210. Of course that assumption is, ahem, well, uh, questionable shall we say?

[Gallegos Boxing Gym]

Marble to me i think Pound for pound is flawed because when your bigger your style would be different. I mean look at Wlad then look at Pac, if Pac was Wlad size think he fight differently. Only reason they came out with pound for pound is because they wanted to rank Robinson best fighter in the world. Which they could not do with out pound for pound because heavyweights would kill Robinson.

The p4p concept pre-dates Ray Robinson by at least twenty years. The term was applied to Tony Canzoneri and for all I know was applied to others earlier.

The assumption behind p4p is that you're wrong The assumption says if Manny was a heavy he'd be a lightning fast, enormously athletic, undersized heavyweight and that he could fight that style at say 210. Of course that assumption is, ahem, well, uh, questionable shall we say?

Was it Canzoneri or Jimmy McLarnin? I heard it was McLarnin. Admittedly, I've absorbed a number of shots over the years that could potentially compromise my memory.