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Re: Boxing's biggest problem is that it's on HBO/Showtime and not on regular tv
I can't believe I"m saying this but I do agree with Arum, although it was him that was partially at fault for helping to move boxing to premium cable. He has a point especially on the NFL. I was thinking the NFL could make a killing money wise if it was on premium cable and it's playoff games and SB was on PPV, but it would fuck the sport in the long term.Originally Posted by IamInuit
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Re: Boxing's biggest problem is that it's on HBO/Showtime and not on regular tv
From a business standpoint, I suppose it's genius. In the overall question as to why boxing has taken a back seat it is a kind of "which came first the chicken or the egg" scenario. Look, their is something wrong in pugilism when broadcaster's like HBO and Showtime are deciding who fights whom.I can't believe I"m saying this but I do agree with Arum, although it was him that was partially at fault for helping to move boxing to premium cable. He has a point especially on the NFL. I was thinking the NFL could make a killing money wise if it was on premium cable and it's playoff games and SB was on PPV, but it would fuck the sport in the long term.
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I just got done reading a Sport's Illustrated article about Rocky Marciano a few days ago. And Rocky was particularly upset with boxing being taken out of high school and the colleges as a sport, this happened in the 1950s. That to me was another blow to boxing. Sports like football, basketball, and baseball are at the high school and college level everywhere in America. They have a system to introduce and produce talent, meaning they are already scouting the youngsters and introducing them to the sport. Boxing doesn't have that luxury anymore. And with the litigious nature of the US, I don't foresee it being a high school or college sport again. Just imagine some soccer mom suing the high school district because her son got beaten up and embarrassed in some gym wars?From a business standpoint, I suppose it's genius. In the overall question as to why boxing has taken a back seat it is a kind of "which came first the chicken or the egg" scenario. Look, their is something wrong in pugilism when broadcaster's like HBO and Showtime are deciding who fights whom.I can't believe I"m saying this but I do agree with Arum, although it was him that was partially at fault for helping to move boxing to premium cable. He has a point especially on the NFL. I was thinking the NFL could make a killing money wise if it was on premium cable and it's playoff games and SB was on PPV, but it would fuck the sport in the long term.
So the decline in boxing in America imo was a combination of things like it being removed from HS and colleges and add to the fact it was completely removed from network television and you have a niche sport.
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Re: Boxing's biggest problem is that it's on HBO/Showtime and not on regular tv
Lmao. I hear yeah man. We live in a world of watching kids play in the front yard wearing helmets lol.I just got done reading a Sport's Illustrated article about Rocky Marciano a few days ago. And Rocky was particularly upset with boxing being taken out of high school and the colleges as a sport, this happened in the 1950s. That to me was another blow to boxing. Sports like football, basketball, and baseball are at the high school and college level everywhere in America. They have a system to introduce and produce talent, meaning they are already scouting the youngsters and introducing them to the sport. Boxing doesn't have that luxury anymore. And with the litigious nature of the US, I don't foresee it being a high school or college sport again. Just imagine some soccer mom suing the high school district because her son got beaten up and embarrassed in some gym wars?From a business standpoint, I suppose it's genius. In the overall question as to why boxing has taken a back seat it is a kind of "which came first the chicken or the egg" scenario. Look, their is something wrong in pugilism when broadcaster's like HBO and Showtime are deciding who fights whom.I can't believe I"m saying this but I do agree with Arum, although it was him that was partially at fault for helping to move boxing to premium cable. He has a point especially on the NFL. I was thinking the NFL could make a killing money wise if it was on premium cable and it's playoff games and SB was on PPV, but it would fuck the sport in the long term.
So the decline in boxing in America imo was a combination of things like it being removed from HS and colleges and add to the fact it was completely removed from network television and you have a niche sport.
I'm a bit of a stickler on history and Marciano peaked out in perhaps the weakest division in boxing history. Walcott had him and he was ripe and then Suzi Q. Joe was an old man. Charles had him in the second fight and he was a write off in the first. Holmes entered the division in a similar fashion.
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What a bold face liar! HBO is out for HBO ratings, Arum is the one selling to HBO because it's lump sum money. You don't have to work as hard as promoter when HBO buys the fights. HBO then turns around an markets the fight. It's like outsourcing the promotion. If you have to promote the fight, You have to be the one to buy the Air time and do all kinds of shit to draw attention to sell the fight. There is a lot of fucking work to do. You might not have recognized it, but you've seen GBP do this with the news infomercials on Floyd's fights although they could just call TMZ with his schedule. In Dallas, it was Jones doing the selling. And what Arum is really after, is those free advertisements he gets from the main stream new media. With Pacquiao, it is very easy because news media follows him. That shit about the other promoters and Alexander was just setting up to get Alexander over to Top Rank. I agree, he really is a "cluster fuk".I can't believe I"m saying this but I do agree with Arum, although it was him that was partially at fault for helping to move boxing to premium cable. He has a point especially on the NFL. I was thinking the NFL could make a killing money wise if it was on premium cable and it's playoff games and SB was on PPV, but it would fuck the sport in the long term.
The NFL already does PPV in the form of Sports Cable network channels. And I'd be willing to bet, it brings down the ratings but makes them more money.
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That shit ain't like boxing's PPV or boxing on being on HBO and Showtime. When's the last time you had to pay $54.99 to see Greenbay-Philly in the playoffs? Or whatever team playing in the Superbowl? Or any NFL team in the playoffs? And hell you get to see the local NFL team on the local tv network or a cluster of games every sunday on Fox, NBC, CBS.What a bold face liar! HBO is out for HBO ratings, Arum is the one selling to HBO because it's lump sum money. You don't have to work as hard as promoter when HBO buys the fights. HBO then turns around an markets the fight. It's like outsourcing the promotion. If you have to promote the fight, You have to be the one to buy the Air time and do all kinds of shit to draw attention to sell the fight. There is a lot of fucking work to do. You might not have recognized it, but you've seen GBP do this with the news infomercials on Floyd's fights although they could just call TMZ with his schedule. In Dallas, it was Jones doing the selling. And what Arum is really after, is those free advertisements he gets from the main stream new media. With Pacquiao, it is very easy because news media follows him. That shit about the other promoters and Alexander was just setting up to get Alexander over to Top Rank. I agree, he really is a "cluster fuk".I can't believe I"m saying this but I do agree with Arum, although it was him that was partially at fault for helping to move boxing to premium cable. He has a point especially on the NFL. I was thinking the NFL could make a killing money wise if it was on premium cable and it's playoff games and SB was on PPV, but it would fuck the sport in the long term.
The NFL already does PPV in the form of Sports Cable network channels. And I'd be willing to bet, it brings down the ratings but makes them more money.
That example isn't comparable at all.
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Re: Boxing's biggest problem is that it's on HBO/Showtime and not on regular tv
Who said it was the same. My point being only that subscriptions are a move that causes a downturn in viewership because subscriptions cost. There is a point when you put too much financial demand on the fan and they do something else with their time. Promoters have unintentionally destoryed the fan base for the sport of boxing with their greed and point the finger at everyone else.That shit ain't like boxing's PPV or boxing on being on HBO and Showtime. When's the last time you had to pay $54.99 to see Greenbay-Philly in the playoffs? Or whatever team playing in the Superbowl? Or any NFL team in the playoffs? And hell you get to see the local NFL team on the local tv network or a cluster of games every sunday on Fox, NBC, CBS.What a bold face liar! HBO is out for HBO ratings, Arum is the one selling to HBO because it's lump sum money. You don't have to work as hard as promoter when HBO buys the fights. HBO then turns around an markets the fight. It's like outsourcing the promotion. If you have to promote the fight, You have to be the one to buy the Air time and do all kinds of shit to draw attention to sell the fight. There is a lot of fucking work to do. You might not have recognized it, but you've seen GBP do this with the news infomercials on Floyd's fights although they could just call TMZ with his schedule. In Dallas, it was Jones doing the selling. And what Arum is really after, is those free advertisements he gets from the main stream new media. With Pacquiao, it is very easy because news media follows him. That shit about the other promoters and Alexander was just setting up to get Alexander over to Top Rank. I agree, he really is a "cluster fuk".I can't believe I"m saying this but I do agree with Arum, although it was him that was partially at fault for helping to move boxing to premium cable. He has a point especially on the NFL. I was thinking the NFL could make a killing money wise if it was on premium cable and it's playoff games and SB was on PPV, but it would fuck the sport in the long term.
The NFL already does PPV in the form of Sports Cable network channels. And I'd be willing to bet, it brings down the ratings but makes them more money.
That example isn't comparable at all.
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