What's with all these bi-polar people?

[Gandalf]

Well, that last sentence doesn't make any sense and that is because I was rash with the edit. Obviously I do not reject science.

[Conrad]

When I was in my early 20's and very immature my fiance at the time suffered from depression, so much so she tried to take her own life at one point. At the time I just didn't understand the whole depression thing as there was nothing for her to be depressed about. My advice of 'You just need to snap out of it' or 'FFS just cheer up' certainly didn't help.

Coincidently at the same time a work colleague who I was very good friends with suffered from depression and anxiety attacks as a result of losing her brother in a car accident a few years previously. Again, my similar offerings of advice were no help at all. At the time I just couldn't comprehend what it must be like for them to have something like that. Or more to the point, I plain just didn't believe any of it - "it's all in their head" I wrongly thought. I was 100% positive it could never happen to me as I wasn't 'built' that way...

Fast forward a few years and I had a very messy breakup with a new girlfriend who'd been fuckin somebody behind my back. Unless you have actually experienced something like this yourself it's very hard to explain the pain and hurt you feel. I was basically a wreck and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Unfortunately for me the pain I felt and my obssesing over what she'd done went on for the best part of year. It was during this time when I was at my lowest that I began to understand in part what my fiance and friend had been through.

I don't think I was ever actually depressed even though I thought I was at the time. But after the way I felt I'd never now judge somebody who suffers with depression or anxiety etc in the same ignorant way I did when I was younger. I also realised that no matter how confident you are that 'something like that couldn't affect me', you never know how you'd respond mentally to a tragic event like losing a loved one like my friend did...

[Gandalf]

I am clearly in the minority in terms of expressing my own views in this thread and I accept that. I have tried to play the devils advocate, but know that when I do that the argument is usually quite close to home. Either way, people with mental difficulties have a hard life and I shouldn't make it harder.

[El Kabong]

Well, that last sentence doesn't make any sense and that is because I was rash with the edit. Obviously I do not reject science.

Then why do you reject psychology and more importantly psychiatry? That's science, the drugs they perscribe DO have an impact, they do treat real symptoms and they do provide help.

I find that most people who reject those sciences are either #1 in denial #2 don't fully understand them or #3 they are scared of them.....which are you miles?


I grew up never believing in all that stuff either, but I've seen it in action, I've had life experience, and although I am 100% on board with Personal Responsibility and not blaming problems on a mental disorder or chemical imbalance or whatever sometimes you can't help but explain/treat/handle things through those fields of science.

[Kev]

Well, that last sentence doesn't make any sense and that is because I was rash with the edit. Obviously I do not reject science.

Then why do you reject psychology and more importantly psychiatry? That's science, the drugs they perscribe DO have an impact, they do treat real symptoms and they do provide help.

I find that most people who reject those sciences are either #1 in denial #2 don't fully understand them or #3 they are scared of them.....which are you miles?


I grew up never believing in all that stuff either, but I've seen it in action, I've had life experience, and although I am 100% on board with Personal Responsibility and not blaming problems on a mental disorder or chemical imbalance or whatever sometimes you can't help but explain/treat/handle things through those fields of science.

This was the apparently boring idea I was exploring. Miles claims to be purely a man of science yet objects to the administration of drugs to restore chemical balance because of some commitment to the idea of a natural self, i.e an individual's personality that should for some reason he can't explain be free of chemical contamination, even though all the mind is is the product of chemical interactions.

Anyway I don't want to stop CFH from feeling able to contribute due to the noxious content of my post so I shall stop here.

[ryanman]

Well, that last sentence doesn't make any sense and that is because I was rash with the edit. Obviously I do not reject science.

Then why do you reject psychology and more importantly psychiatry? That's science, the drugs they perscribe DO have an impact, they do treat real symptoms and they do provide help.

I find that most people who reject those sciences are either #1 in denial #2 don't fully understand them or #3 they are scared of them.....which are you miles?


I grew up never believing in all that stuff either, but I've seen it in action, I've had life experience, and although I am 100% on board with Personal Responsibility and not blaming problems on a mental disorder or chemical imbalance or whatever sometimes you can't help but explain/treat/handle things through those fields of science.

This was the apparently boring idea I was exploring. Miles claims to be purely a man of science yet objects to the administration of drugs to restore chemical balance because of some commitment to the idea of a natural self, i.e an individual's personality that should for some reason he can't explain be free of chemical contamination, even though all the mind is is the product of chemical interactions.

Anyway I don't want to stop CFH from feeling able to contribute due to the noxious content of my post so I shall stop here.

Thats a pretty good point there Bilbo. Take that Miles!

[boozeboxer]

People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.

What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.

Thoughts?

[Kev]

People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.

What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.

Thoughts?

My thought is that you should spell check your thread and edit it so that it makes sense

Onto Zeta Jones. I think we should note a few points.

Firstly, it is the media who have labelled her bi polar I don't believe she announced those words to the world.

Secondly she is a very high profile and wealthy person coping with the very real possibility of the loss of her husband. She can afford the costs of going off to a specialist centre for the kind of therepy and one to one psychological counselling that would probably be a benefit to a lot of us at times in our life if we could justify the expense.

I don't see the big deal really. It's the same as going to a spar or health retreat for a few days of detox. Most of are in no position to do such a thing, but if we were multi millionaires with no limits it would be quite common to kickstart a health plan that way.

Similarly here she was feeling down and so did this to help lift her mood,a change of scenery, chance to talk through her problems in a secure enviroment etc.

That the tabloids decided to run with the article 'Zeta Jones Bi Polar' really says more about them and us than her.

[boozeboxer]

People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.

What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.

Thoughts?

My thought is that you should spell check your thread and edit it so that it makes sense

Onto Zeta Jones. I think we should note a few points.

Firstly, it is the media who have labelled her bi polar I don't believe she announced those words to the world.

Secondly she is a very high profile and wealthy person coping with the very real possibility of the loss of her husband. She can afford the costs of going off to a specialist centre for the kind of therepy and one to one psychological counselling that would probably be a benefit to a lot of us at times in our life if we could justify the expense.

I don't see the big deal really. It's the same as going to a spar or health retreat for a few days of detox. Most of are in no position to do such a thing, but if we were multi millionaires with no limits it would be quite common to kickstart a health plan that way.

Similarly here she was feeling down and so did this to help lift her mood,a change of scenery, chance to talk through her problems in a secure enviroment etc.

That the tabloids decided to run with the article 'Zeta Jones Bi Polar' really says more about them and us than her.

good point Kev. I am trying to eat over lunch hour/talk on phone/write coherent posts.......

[Memphis]

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That the tabloids decided to run with the article 'Zeta Jones Bi Polar'

The Sun went with 'Zeta in mental clinic'

[Howlin Mad Missy]

People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.

What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.

Thoughts?

any of you see the tv programme stephen fry did about bi-polar? An actor I know a bit about - Jeremy Brett - was also diagnosed late in life a bi-p. Lots of them are afraid of taking drugs that 'smooth' them out, they've lived a long time that way and now you want to change who they are? What if they're no longer funny? etc

[El Kabong]

People that are actors/artists/creative types have a greater number of mental disorders than people that are not by percentage. So that we have many that have mental disorders should be no surprise.

What is make them great at whatever art avenue they pursue also is or contributes to their mental instability.

Thoughts?

any of you see the tv programme stephen fry did about bi-polar? An actor I know a bit about - Jeremy Brett - was also diagnosed late in life a bi-p. Lots of them are afraid of taking drugs that 'smooth' them out, they've lived a long time that way and now you want to change who they are? What if they're no longer funny? etc

A lot of people on anti-depressants and mainly those on anti-psychotics stop taking their medicine due to side effects but also because if you look at the behavioral psychology of taking those pills a person is taking them to PREVENT symptoms rather than to subdue symptoms and well in layman's terms people take the medicine, they feel better, they decide they don't need to take the medicine OR they take the medicine, they feel the side effects, and they stop taking the medicine thinking the symptoms won't reccur.

[0james0]

I hate being bi-polar, it's amazing!

[ryanman]

I hate being bi-polar, it's amazing!

He went there.