Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[JazMerkin]

[quote=hattonthehammer;754735][quote=Violent Demise;754731]

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

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[Kev]

[quote=ElTerribleMorales;754746]

. How is it that Maidana can take heavier punches from Kotelnik when Ortiz hits twice as hard as Kotelnik? It's not possible. That pretty much proves you didn't even see the fight.

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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

[CFH]

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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

[ElTerribleMorales]

nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play

[CFH]

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play

It was a forearm, I never disputed that. All Bilbo (and myself) said was that he was hurt worse by Jones.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play

It was a forearm, I never disputed that. All Bilbo (and myself) said was that he was hurt worse by Jones.

alright alright, i re-watched it and he was wobbly, his legs seemed a bit gone

[Diane]

Ortiz speaks a little more on the subject.


Ortiz vows to correct mistakes! | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7

[JazMerkin]

Ortiz speaks a little more on the subject.


Ortiz vows to correct mistakes! | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7

I have to say it's interesting that people post so much emphasis on what Ortiz said post-fight when he was most likely concussed. It's funny that boxers are often expected to give interviews after having their head pounded, I remember people giving Cotto crap for leaving the ring after the Margarito fight, even though it seemed like half his head was about to fall off

[Julius Rain]

Wow

Didnt expect oritz to just give up like that, he was still winning but Maidana is a warrior. That guy came out the 6th round with mean intention, seem like he knew he could make Ortiz quit. Its bizarre how Ortiz corner kept telling him they will stop the fight and Ortiz was not responsive. Ortiz got caught with some good shots on the fifth round but he was still winning, what did i miss? why in the world would a corner suggest stoping a fight their fighter is winning? The fight was a good one but its just awful how a guy named Vicious would just quit after a knockdown far from worst than the first kd he suffered.

I respect what Ortiz said in his interview, he has all the right to discontinue fighting if he feels like he has had enough. Im just shocked he gave up on that fight. He was winning and Maidana is the one who suffered from the worst of the beatings.

This is a bit similar to Izzy Rafa I, Izzy quit and knew he had enough but knew if he fights another day he could win the next bout. However Izzy had a legit injury, Ortiz just gave up....if he gets a rematch with Maidana i still think he would win. So much for the heart of a champion quality, every spectator looks for in a fighter.

Do you guys think Ortiz can be a celebrated champion? his only 22 but his gonna go through a hell of a lot worst beating then that. He needs to think if he really wants to be in boxing cause you can't just quit when your not even getting pounded that bad.

[Spicoli]

I do believe he has shaken the monkey off his back. Perspective. Also just noticed quitter has two t's

[Pavlik]

I do believe he has shaken the monkey off his back. Perspective. Also just noticed quitter has two t's

Ortiz now is like a soldier's boots we spit on him now look he's shiny

[TitoFan]

To be sure, he pretty earned that reputation back then. Last night he certainly wiped the slate clean. Lampley, who is well-known for his dramatic exaggerations, nevertheless hit the nail on the head when he exclaimed:

"Ortiz is fighting like a man possessed."
He certainly was.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I do believe he has shaken the monkey off his back. Perspective. Also just noticed quitter has two t's

I guess he just found something worth going out on his shield for