Obama's birth certificate a fake?

[Kev]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt bilbo, and label you a confounded contrarian, thus putting you in number 2...which i interestingly typo-d twice.

I did think it's no wonder he can't see the truth when he can't even count to three.

[OumaFan]

I assume this has to do with zooming in on it and it seeing that its been manipulated and has "nine separate layers" to it or something. (I really would rather shoot myself than watch it so hopefully that's it.)

Even Fox News, who would love this to be true, had a software expert on to basically say yeah people have no fucking clue what they're talking about. Its because of the scanner,

Here better explained by him not me

Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit - FoxNews.com

Bilbo I know you just love a good conspiracy but this one is the dregs of the earth. Basically just a bunch of racists who couldn't accept the fact that a negro had been elected. At least that's how it started here in the US.

[VictorCharlie]

Come one Ouma...The only thing worse than silly conspiracy theorists is the blatant race baiters. Prattling on about the Presidents birth place make make someone a douchebag but it does not make one a defacto racist. That is such a left wing media tactic these days. Someone is critical of the President. Too easy, just call them a racist. I guess everyone that ever referred to President Bush as a redneck was just a racist, b/c make no mistake that is a racial pejorative just as nigger, spic or gook.

[OumaFan]

I am not a race card person, its annoying when its brought up for any trivial little thing, but in this case its just blatantly obvious. What white President has ever been accused of not being born here? Is every birther a racist? No, I'm sure not, but it unquestionably was a major factor in the origins of the whole thing.

[VictorCharlie]

Ouma there is no way qualify that statement. People that irrationally dislike the President will cling to any detraction. Trying to make racism the inception of birthers simply cheapens real accusations of bigotry and prejudice.

[OumaFan]

Well no I can't say specifically it was 50% racism, 20 % funny sounding name, 20 % lived somewhere else as a kid, etc., etc. And I'm sure not everyone who latched onto it did so for racist reasons, some love a conspiracy, some may have just been angry about the election for purely political reasons, etc. But there is no doubt in my mind that it was a major factor in the whole thing. I would argue it was the main factor but obviously I can't say that for sure. Still, would a White President with a somewhat funny name who spent time living out of the country been subject to the same scrutiny? Of course its just a hypothetical but I think its fairly clear he would not have been.

The race card is played far too often. And not just with Black people in the US, you should be able to criticize Israel without being called an anti-Semite according to Miles. But that doesn't mean that racism is never an issue. The race card is played too often, without a doubt, but I would also argue that its used to stifle debate at times.

[Kev]

I am not a race card person, its annoying when its brought up for any trivial little thing, but in this case its just blatantly obvious. What white President has ever been accused of not being born here? Is every birther a racist? No, I'm sure not, but it unquestionably was a major factor in the origins of the whole thing.

I think people target their Presidents any way they can. George Bush Jr was White, has an Anglo-American surname and his daddy was also President. It wouldn't make much sense to say he was born in Kenya.

Obama's birthplace is a bit different to past presidents seeign as his father was Kenyan. I don't see why it's racist.

Were his name President Hau Sun Woo and his dad was from Bejing I guess the same doubts might arise.

[OumaFan]

I am not a race card person, its annoying when its brought up for any trivial little thing, but in this case its just blatantly obvious. What white President has ever been accused of not being born here? Is every birther a racist? No, I'm sure not, but it unquestionably was a major factor in the origins of the whole thing.

I think people target their Presidents any way they can. George Bush Jr was White, has an Anglo-American surname and his daddy was also President. It wouldn't make much sense to say he was born in Kenya.

Obama's birthplace is a bit different to past presidents seeign as his father was Kenyan. I don't see why it's racist.

Were his name President Hau Sun Woo and his dad was from Bejing I guess the same doubts might arise.

George Bush isn't a good example though.

A better hypothetical is if there was a White guy, born in America to an American mother and a Polish born father (or whatever) with a Polish sounding name. Do you really think there would be this much speculation about whether or not he was born in America? If you do then, well we'd just have to agree to disagree.

[Kev]

I am not a race card person, its annoying when its brought up for any trivial little thing, but in this case its just blatantly obvious. What white President has ever been accused of not being born here? Is every birther a racist? No, I'm sure not, but it unquestionably was a major factor in the origins of the whole thing.

I think people target their Presidents any way they can. George Bush Jr was White, has an Anglo-American surname and his daddy was also President. It wouldn't make much sense to say he was born in Kenya.

Obama's birthplace is a bit different to past presidents seeign as his father was Kenyan. I don't see why it's racist.

Were his name President Hau Sun Woo and his dad was from Bejing I guess the same doubts might arise.

George Bush isn't a good example though.

A better hypothetical is if there was a White guy, born in America to an American mother and a Polish born father (or whatever) with a Polish sounding name. Do you really think there would be this much speculation about whether or not he was born in America? If you do then, well we'd just have to agree to disagree.

Yeah I think it might well come up in all honesty. It's not really any different to me than when the backgrounds of other people are challenged, for example the universities they went to.

The healthy eating guru Gillian McKeith over here had loads of controversy about whether her doctrate was genuine or not, or whether she just bought it online.

I think it's more to do that Obama's early life is rather obscure and vague. I don't think it's because he's black. The name, and the links to Islam are more real sources.