Sorry not boxing but Bin Laden is dead.

[captainanddew]

you see the pictures of the compound Bin Laden and co were living in? Pakistan's intelligence had to know he was there. If not, they are the dumbest people on the planet.

Not that we could trust the Pakistan govt before, but forget trusting them now.

[therealremi]

The question is: WHAT THE FUCK WERE ARMED AMERICANS DOING IN PAKISTAN? Is Pakistan some kind of US colony or something?

[AdamGB]

No the question is 'what he fuck' was Osoma doing in a relatively populated part of Pakistan.

People were twittering about the explosions ffs... some element of the Pakistani government must have known he was there.

and to answer your somewhat redundant question... armed Americans were there because they found and wanted to kill the bastard responsible for 9/11.

Quite simple really. I doubt they were all that worried about asking for permission (assuming they didn't have it) offending the Pakistanis by killing OSAMA BIN FUCKING LADEN.

it was a small strike team in a couple of helicopters, they probably just flew over the border from afganistan... it's not like it was an entire battalion

[therealremi]

and to answer your somewhat redundant question... armed Americans were there because they found and wanted to kill the bastard responsible for 9/11.

Quite simple really. I doubt they were all that worried about asking for permission (assuming they didn't have it) offending the Pakistanis by killing OSAMA BIN FUCKING LADEN.

it was a small strike team in a couple of helicopters, they probably just flew over the border from afganistan... it's not like it was an entire battalion

I wouldn't like to live in a country where a bunch of ignorant rednecks lead by some Captain America can just fly over and do some killing.
I wonder what would the coverage of that raid be if they mistakenly blew up some innocent civilians.
If I were Pakistani president and Americans did that without my permission (and I would never give them permission) I would get very angry.

[Ghost]

and to answer your somewhat redundant question... armed Americans were there because they found and wanted to kill the bastard responsible for 9/11.

Quite simple really. I doubt they were all that worried about asking for permission (assuming they didn't have it) offending the Pakistanis by killing OSAMA BIN FUCKING LADEN.

it was a small strike team in a couple of helicopters, they probably just flew over the border from afganistan... it's not like it was an entire battalion

I wouldn't like to live in a country where a bunch of ignorant rednecks lead by some Captain America can just fly over and do some killing.
I wonder what would the coverage of that raid be if they mistakenly blew up some innocent civilians.
If I were Pakistani president and Americans did that without my permission (and I would never give them permission) I would get very angry.

Ohh goody we have us another one.

[Gandalf]

and to answer your somewhat redundant question... armed Americans were there because they found and wanted to kill the bastard responsible for 9/11.

Quite simple really. I doubt they were all that worried about asking for permission (assuming they didn't have it) offending the Pakistanis by killing OSAMA BIN FUCKING LADEN.

it was a small strike team in a couple of helicopters, they probably just flew over the border from afganistan... it's not like it was an entire battalion

I wouldn't like to live in a country where a bunch of ignorant rednecks lead by some Captain America can just fly over and do some killing.
I wonder what would the coverage of that raid be if they mistakenly blew up some innocent civilians.
If I were Pakistani president and Americans did that without my permission (and I would never give them permission) I would get very angry.

Very well said.

A little bit naughty, but beyond the rough and tumble there is a message.

[Mars_ax]

and to answer your somewhat redundant question... armed Americans were there because they found and wanted to kill the bastard responsible for 9/11.

Quite simple really. I doubt they were all that worried about asking for permission (assuming they didn't have it) offending the Pakistanis by killing OSAMA BIN FUCKING LADEN.

it was a small strike team in a couple of helicopters, they probably just flew over the border from afganistan... it's not like it was an entire battalion

I wouldn't like to live in a country where a bunch of ignorant rednecks lead by some Captain America can just fly over and do some killing.
I wonder what would the coverage of that raid be if they mistakenly blew up some innocent civilians.
If I were Pakistani president and Americans did that without my permission (and I would never give them permission) I would get very angry.

Think what you want, but I wouldn't call the U.S. Navy Seals or the U.S. military, a bunch of "ignorant rednecks", my guess is you live in a country that owes part of it's freedom to these "ignorant rednecks".

[therealremi]

Think what you want, but I wouldn't call the U.S. Navy Seals or the U.S. military, a bunch of "ignorant rednecks",

I'm not calling that all of US military - it's enough if a small percent is this way, and whoever meets them on their bad day is in trouble. The Generation Kill series illustrates what I mean.

my guess is you live in a country that owes part of it's freedom to these "ignorant rednecks".

As a national of a country that was sold by FDR to Stalin at Yalta, I very much doubt that.

[KananKrus]

If you are American, don't take my criticism of that particular aspect of that operation personal....

Think what you want, but I wouldn't call the U.S. Navy Seals or the U.S. military, a bunch of "ignorant rednecks",

my guess is you live in a country that owes part of it's freedom to these "ignorant rednecks".

As a national of a country that was sold by FDR to Stalin at Yalta, I very much doubt that.

You ask that the discussion not be taken at a personal level, yet, where you are coming from is purely, and exclusively, only from the same that you ask not to be of. Is not hate personal?

It is!, even if yours originate from an echo, from the distant past, like 1945 Yalta. -Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin.... Poland!

Chill man... let Americans, and freedom loving people of this earth enjoy this moment of retribution and glory. Peace.

[No Contest]

Think what you want, but I wouldn't call the U.S. Navy Seals or the U.S. military, a bunch of "ignorant rednecks",

I'm not calling that all of US military - it's enough if a small percent is this way, and whoever meets them on their bad day is in trouble. The Generation Kill series illustrates what I mean.

my guess is you live in a country that owes part of it's freedom to these "ignorant rednecks".

As a national of a country that was sold by FDR to Stalin at Yalta, I very much doubt that.

Generation Kill, thats where you are forming your opinion of the military?...Give me a break. Thats like saying the military is a bunch of loners and dark individuals, just watch Rambo that illustrates what I mean.

[marbleheadmaui]

and to answer your somewhat redundant question... armed Americans were there because they found and wanted to kill the bastard responsible for 9/11.

Quite simple really. I doubt they were all that worried about asking for permission (assuming they didn't have it) offending the Pakistanis by killing OSAMA BIN FUCKING LADEN.

it was a small strike team in a couple of helicopters, they probably just flew over the border from afganistan... it's not like it was an entire battalion

I wouldn't like to live in a country where a bunch of ignorant rednecks lead by some Captain America can just fly over and do some killing.
I wonder what would the coverage of that raid be if they mistakenly blew up some innocent civilians.
If I were Pakistani president and Americans did that without my permission (and I would never give them permission) I would get very angry.

I, on the other hand, am EXTREMELY pleased the last thing bin Laden saw on this earth were American volunteers who had come in the night to exact some tiny amount of justice for their fellow citizens.

It's also nice to know you you are comfortable harboring mass murderers. Nice ethics.

[therealremi]

I, on the other hand, am EXTREMELY pleased the last thing bin Laden saw on this earth were American volunteers who had come in the night to exact some tiny amount of justice for their fellow citizens.

It's also nice to know you you are comfortable harboring mass murderers. Nice ethics.

If you are American, don't take my criticism of that particular aspect of that operation personal.
As far as Osama is concerned, all I (and probably most of us) know about him comes from mainstream media, where he was pictured as the most evil archenemy of humanity. I tend to distrust media. I know politicians feed on such things, they can go on and on about defending the country and do some very stupid things in the name of it.
So I would rather see Osama extracted by the Pakistani, then extradited (after presenting formal evidence), and then having a trial in the US. Now, tell me, does US justice system state that you can kill a suspect on the spot (if you can take him alive), just because he is presumed to be very evil? Maybe you can legally torture him as well, cause he is so evil?
I said I wouldn't give any permission to Americans for that raid, cause why would I deprive myself of the glory of capturing the most wanted man? Same thing happens when FBI and local police compete to make an arrest. Only here it is much more serious. If Pakistani gov weren't asked for permission then they should be very much offended. It's like the US gov doesn't know where US border ends. This doesn't help the image of USA in Arab world and for that reason alone, the Pakistani should have made the arrest.
Finally, I remember a very good scene from the TV series Criminal Minds: a captured terrorist asked FBI agent: "who in your opinion is the biggest enemy of USA?". The FBI agent replied: "Ignorance".

[marbleheadmaui]

I, on the other hand, am EXTREMELY pleased the last thing bin Laden saw on this earth were American volunteers who had come in the night to exact some tiny amount of justice for their fellow citizens.

It's also nice to know you you are comfortable harboring mass murderers. Nice ethics.

If you are American, don't take my criticism of that particular aspect of that operation personal.
As far as Osama is concerned, all I (and probably most of us) know about him comes from mainstream media, where he was pictured as the most evil archenemy of humanity. I tend to distrust media. I know politicians feed on such things, they can go on and on about defending the country and do some very stupid things in the name of it.
So I would rather see Osama extracted by the Pakistani, then extradited (after presenting formal evidence), and then having a trial in the US. Now, tell me, does US justice system state that you can kill a suspect on the spot (if you can take him alive), just because he is presumed to be very evil? Maybe you can legally torture him as well, cause he is so evil?
I said I wouldn't give any permission to Americans for that raid, cause why would I deprive myself of the glory of capturing the most wanted man? Same thing happens when FBI and local police compete to make an arrest. Only here it is much more serious. If Pakistani gov weren't asked for permission then they should be very much offended. It's like the US gov doesn't know where US border ends. This doesn't help the image of USA in Arab world and for that reason alone, the Pakistani should have made the arrest.
Finally, I remember a very good scene from the TV series Criminal Minds: a captured terrorist asked FBI agent: "who in your opinion is the biggest enemy of USA?". The FBI agent replied: "Ignorance".

Not personal at all.

1. Distrust the media all you want. Don't distrust what the man himself said or wrote. Read the various letters/manifestos he distributed where he justifies targeting civilians (among other things)
2. The idea the Pakistanis didn't know EXACTLY where he was just isn't credible. He was within a mile of their equivalent of West Point for God's sake. They had YEARS to bring him in and didn't.
3. In the US one can ABSOLUTELY legally kill a suspect if they resist arrest or threaten a cop. And Yes, I'm fine with that.
4. First off the Pakistani's aren't Arabs and secondly this is WAR, not some police situation. Ignoring borders kind of comes with the territory wouldn't you say?
5. Forgive me if I find that in one post you claim to distrust the media and then find wisdom in a TV show more than a little ironic.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

As far as Osama is concerned, all I (and probably most of us) know about him comes from mainstream media, where he was pictured as the most evil archenemy of humanity. I tend to distrust media. I know politicians feed on such things, they can go on and on about defending the country and do some very stupid things in the name of it.

Who do you trust then with regards to information about OBL?

[AdamGB]

and to answer your somewhat redundant question... armed Americans were there because they found and wanted to kill the bastard responsible for 9/11.

Quite simple really. I doubt they were all that worried about asking for permission (assuming they didn't have it) offending the Pakistanis by killing OSAMA BIN FUCKING LADEN.

it was a small strike team in a couple of helicopters, they probably just flew over the border from afganistan... it's not like it was an entire battalion

I wouldn't like to live in a country where a bunch of ignorant rednecks lead by some Captain America can just fly over and do some killing.
I wonder what would the coverage of that raid be if they mistakenly blew up some innocent civilians.
If I were Pakistani president and Americans did that without my permission (and I would never give them permission) I would get very angry.

For a start they reportedly gave permision... but that is irelvant... you are still completely missing the point.

If America didn't have permision then Pakistan would still be in no position to be 'very angry'. OSAMA HAS BEEN LIVING IN PAKISTAN... they are in no position to be angry with anybody... they either harboured him or at worst failed to locate him literally right under their own noses. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Also... what innocent civilians were blown up? Please tell me... what? none... if you keep adding any hypothetical situation you want to your arguments to give them weight then we are going to be here all week