Should Bin Laden have been taken alive?

[Mark TKO]

i would have liked to have seen him taken alive and suffer in captivity for a bit - then tortured and killed by Michael Madsen on a live tv free ppv event sometime in September.

But alas this was not to be.

We will never know the truth of what happened in that 'firefight' but like fuck did he deserve a fair trial so lets not even go there.

And yes the Pakistan govt knew he was there for sure.

The body photos should be released though to silence the doubters. Stand him up by a tape meausre as he was about 6 foot 6 or something ridiculous wasnt he.

or stand him next to Vitali Klitschko

[Kev]

He wasn't killed at all. He's been dead 9 years.

The Bin Ladens are a wealthy family, in cahoots with the leading American familes and a part of the Carlye group. This is all factual, google it.

Osama died of kidney failure in 2002, too soo for the US who were using him as the face of fear and a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. So they did not report his death, and preferred to keep him alive.

These kind of lies are something they have a history of doing, and I invite you to look up the proven factual fabrications of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where they faked an attack on the USS Maddox by the Vietnamese in order to get justification to go to war with them, and Operation Northwoods where they planned attacks on their own people, including shooting down planes, to blame on the Cubans. This went as high as the US Army's chief of staff, and was only ruled out by JFK, who it has to be said, was assassinated in suspicious circumstances, maybe for refusing to carry out the whims of those really in charge.

Already Obama has covered himself in case of future revelations by revealing he did not actually witness the assassination live on cam in the control room himself. They have no body because they threw it in the ocean. They took no photo's becauase he's too badly mutilated, therefore the only thing we have to go on is their word.

Sorry but after Vietnam, Northwoods, Pearl Harbour, Saddam's WMD's, their word doesn't mean a whole lot.

They were just waiting for the best timing to announce his death and now with revolutions going on all around the Arab world and a very different Middle East emerging, it made sense to get rid of the face of fear and end the post 911 era. They will create a new story for the Arab world in the coming months and years.

What about my thread sounds so absurd? All you have is you assured belief that America wouldn't act in this way, even though it has been proven and documented that they do. They have given no evidence whatsoever that Bin Laded was killed, or that he has been alive for the last 10 years.

He made one video in 2004, contradicting his earlier denials of being involved in 911 and that's all we've heard of him. They claim they have a new video now, I guess they need to create the illusion he was still active and a threat.

Open your minds people, and start looking into this.

[Gandalf]

Video: Protests in Pakistan follow Bin Laden's death - Asia, World - The Independent

It seems that some Pakistani's are not happy about what the US did and I think their arguments are perfectly valid. I mean where do you draw the line? Some US politicians were calling for Julian Assange to be assasinated just a few months ago. Going on the Osama precedent it would be quite acceptable for US forces to go to the UK, find Assange, and then shoot him dead.

That is unbelievable really. The President of the USA should not have the right to assasinate anyone, anywhere and at any time. It raises many serious questions and is an extremely slippery slope IMO.

[Andre]

He wasn't killed at all. He's been dead 9 years.

The Bin Ladens are a wealthy family, in cahoots with the leading American familes and a part of the Carlye group. This is all factual, google it.

Osama died of kidney failure in 2002, too soo for the US who were using him as the face of fear and a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. So they did not report his death, and preferred to keep him alive.

These kind of lies are something they have a history of doing, and I invite you to look up the proven factual fabrications of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where they faked an attack on the USS Maddox by the Vietnamese in order to get justification to go to war with them, and Operation Northwoods where they planned attacks on their own people, including shooting down planes, to blame on the Cubans. This went as high as the US Army's chief of staff, and was only ruled out by JFK, who it has to be said, was assassinated in suspicious circumstances, maybe for refusing to carry out the whims of those really in charge.

Already Obama has covered himself in case of future revelations by revealing he did not actually witness the assassination live on cam in the control room himself. They have no body because they threw it in the ocean. They took no photo's becauase he's too badly mutilated, therefore the only thing we have to go on is their word.

Sorry but after Vietnam, Northwoods, Pearl Harbour, Saddam's WMD's, their word doesn't mean a whole lot.

They were just waiting for the best timing to announce his death and now with revolutions going on all around the Arab world and a very different Middle East emerging, it made sense to get rid of the face of fear and end the post 911 era. They will create a new story for the Arab world in the coming months and years.

What about my thread sounds so absurd? All you have is you assured belief that America wouldn't act in this way, even though it has been proven and documented that they do. They have given no evidence whatsoever that Bin Laded was killed, or that he has been alive for the last 10 years.

He made one video in 2004, contradicting his earlier denials of being involved in 911 and that's all we've heard of him. They claim they have a new video now, I guess they need to create the illusion he was still active and a threat.

Open your minds people, and start looking into this.

He was one of triplets now there's one left who will wreak havoc on us. Bin Laden.
Pedal Bin Laden and Recycle Bin Laden.

[p4pking]

He wasn't killed at all. He's been dead 9 years.

The Bin Ladens are a wealthy family, in cahoots with the leading American familes and a part of the Carlye group. This is all factual, google it.

Osama died of kidney failure in 2002, too soo for the US who were using him as the face of fear and a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. So they did not report his death, and preferred to keep him alive.

These kind of lies are something they have a history of doing, and I invite you to look up the proven factual fabrications of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where they faked an attack on the USS Maddox by the Vietnamese in order to get justification to go to war with them, and Operation Northwoods where they planned attacks on their own people, including shooting down planes, to blame on the Cubans. This went as high as the US Army's chief of staff, and was only ruled out by JFK, who it has to be said, was assassinated in suspicious circumstances, maybe for refusing to carry out the whims of those really in charge.

Already Obama has covered himself in case of future revelations by revealing he did not actually witness the assassination live on cam in the control room himself. They have no body because they threw it in the ocean. They took no photo's becauase he's too badly mutilated, therefore the only thing we have to go on is their word.

Sorry but after Vietnam, Northwoods, Pearl Harbour, Saddam's WMD's, their word doesn't mean a whole lot.

They were just waiting for the best timing to announce his death and now with revolutions going on all around the Arab world and a very different Middle East emerging, it made sense to get rid of the face of fear and end the post 911 era. They will create a new story for the Arab world in the coming months and years.

What about my thread sounds so absurd? All you have is you assured belief that America wouldn't act in this way, even though it has been proven and documented that they do. They have given no evidence whatsoever that Bin Laded was killed, or that he has been alive for the last 10 years.

He made one video in 2004, contradicting his earlier denials of being involved in 911 and that's all we've heard of him. They claim they have a new video now, I guess they need to create the illusion he was still active and a threat.

Open your minds people, and start looking into this.

What I find absurd about that idea is that you mention the Carlyle group and Bin Ladens ties etc, and then fail to realize that George H and W BUSH are both members for crying out loud. If Osama had died in 2002, you don't think perhaps it would have been in the corporate interest, better timing to stage his death before the election in 2008? You're talking absolute nonsense in actuality. I'm referring strictly to the Bin Laden theory I should add though, you've got the Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods, WMDS, etc. This just doesn't share ties.

[Kev]

He wasn't killed at all. He's been dead 9 years.

The Bin Ladens are a wealthy family, in cahoots with the leading American familes and a part of the Carlye group. This is all factual, google it.

Osama died of kidney failure in 2002, too soo for the US who were using him as the face of fear and a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. So they did not report his death, and preferred to keep him alive.

These kind of lies are something they have a history of doing, and I invite you to look up the proven factual fabrications of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where they faked an attack on the USS Maddox by the Vietnamese in order to get justification to go to war with them, and Operation Northwoods where they planned attacks on their own people, including shooting down planes, to blame on the Cubans. This went as high as the US Army's chief of staff, and was only ruled out by JFK, who it has to be said, was assassinated in suspicious circumstances, maybe for refusing to carry out the whims of those really in charge.

Already Obama has covered himself in case of future revelations by revealing he did not actually witness the assassination live on cam in the control room himself. They have no body because they threw it in the ocean. They took no photo's becauase he's too badly mutilated, therefore the only thing we have to go on is their word.

Sorry but after Vietnam, Northwoods, Pearl Harbour, Saddam's WMD's, their word doesn't mean a whole lot.

They were just waiting for the best timing to announce his death and now with revolutions going on all around the Arab world and a very different Middle East emerging, it made sense to get rid of the face of fear and end the post 911 era. They will create a new story for the Arab world in the coming months and years.

What about my thread sounds so absurd? All you have is you assured belief that America wouldn't act in this way, even though it has been proven and documented that they do. They have given no evidence whatsoever that Bin Laded was killed, or that he has been alive for the last 10 years.

He made one video in 2004, contradicting his earlier denials of being involved in 911 and that's all we've heard of him. They claim they have a new video now, I guess they need to create the illusion he was still active and a threat.

Open your minds people, and start looking into this.

What I find absurd about that idea is that you mention the Carlyle group and Bin Ladens ties etc, and then fail to realize that George H and W BUSH are both members for crying out loud. If Osama had died in 2002, you don't think perhaps it would have been in the corporate interest, better timing to stage his death before the election in 2008? You're talking absolute nonsense in actuality. I'm referring strictly to the Bin Laden theory I should add though, you've got the Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods, WMDS, etc. This just doesn't share ties.

The Bush family and Bin Ladens are friends, or at least business partners. The day after 911 when a no fly zone was enacted over the whole of the US the US government flew the Bin Laden family out of America in secrecy. Again, factual.

The whole Al Qadea threat was created by America as a pretext for war in Iraq and carrying out there vested interests in the middle east. They absolutely wanted Bin Laden alive as he was the face of that fear, makes no sense at all to stage his death before that.

[Kev]

Some good stuff here

Bin Laden Ties

[p4pking]

He wasn't killed at all. He's been dead 9 years.

The Bin Ladens are a wealthy family, in cahoots with the leading American familes and a part of the Carlye group. This is all factual, google it.

Osama died of kidney failure in 2002, too soo for the US who were using him as the face of fear and a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. So they did not report his death, and preferred to keep him alive.

These kind of lies are something they have a history of doing, and I invite you to look up the proven factual fabrications of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where they faked an attack on the USS Maddox by the Vietnamese in order to get justification to go to war with them, and Operation Northwoods where they planned attacks on their own people, including shooting down planes, to blame on the Cubans. This went as high as the US Army's chief of staff, and was only ruled out by JFK, who it has to be said, was assassinated in suspicious circumstances, maybe for refusing to carry out the whims of those really in charge.

Already Obama has covered himself in case of future revelations by revealing he did not actually witness the assassination live on cam in the control room himself. They have no body because they threw it in the ocean. They took no photo's becauase he's too badly mutilated, therefore the only thing we have to go on is their word.

Sorry but after Vietnam, Northwoods, Pearl Harbour, Saddam's WMD's, their word doesn't mean a whole lot.

They were just waiting for the best timing to announce his death and now with revolutions going on all around the Arab world and a very different Middle East emerging, it made sense to get rid of the face of fear and end the post 911 era. They will create a new story for the Arab world in the coming months and years.

What about my thread sounds so absurd? All you have is you assured belief that America wouldn't act in this way, even though it has been proven and documented that they do. They have given no evidence whatsoever that Bin Laded was killed, or that he has been alive for the last 10 years.

He made one video in 2004, contradicting his earlier denials of being involved in 911 and that's all we've heard of him. They claim they have a new video now, I guess they need to create the illusion he was still active and a threat.

Open your minds people, and start looking into this.

What I find absurd about that idea is that you mention the Carlyle group and Bin Ladens ties etc, and then fail to realize that George H and W BUSH are both members for crying out loud. If Osama had died in 2002, you don't think perhaps it would have been in the corporate interest, better timing to stage his death before the election in 2008? You're talking absolute nonsense in actuality. I'm referring strictly to the Bin Laden theory I should add though, you've got the Gulf of Tonkin and Northwoods, WMDS, etc. This just doesn't share ties.

The Bush family and Bin Ladens are friends, or at least business partners. The day after 911 when a no fly zone was enacted over the whole of the US the US government flew the Bin Laden family out of America in secrecy. Again, factual.

The whole Al Qadea threat was created by America as a pretext for war in Iraq and carrying out there vested interests in the middle east. They absolutely wanted Bin Laden alive as he was the face of that fear, makes no sense at all to stage his death before that.

Bilbo, I am VERY aware of this, is was practically my entire point. Are you actually suggesting that if Osama Bin Laden had died during the Bush administration, there would have been a conspriracy to delay releasing this news, until after the Republicans LOST the presedential election? Like there was a vast conspiracy to first have Obama elected, and then let him take credit for it? There is no possible political motif for the timing of this if what you are saying is in fact true, unless you can of course explain to be why the Carlyle group would have been involved in a wider conspiracy to have the Democrats win the senate. But that would take some real doing wouldn't it, conspiracy theories are supposed to be nice and easy so those sitting at home all day can sound like they know everything.

[p4pking]

I should also hope you realize that Bin Laden had been disowned by his own family in 1994 after opposing US forces in Saudi Arabia, as well as carrying out violent Jihads in Egypt and Sudan. He lost his Saudi citizenship and his allowance, no longer sharing any of his families business affiliations whatsoever. But of course that's doesn't make your idea sound as cool either.

[Kev]

I should also hope you realize that Bin Laden had been disowned by his own family in 1994 after opposing US forces in Saudi Arabia, as well as carrying out violent Jihads in Egypt and Sudan. He lost his Saudi citizenship and his allowance, no longer sharing any of his families business affiliations whatsoever. But of course that's doesn't make your idea sound as cool either.

Im not understanding your point. I know the Bin Ladens didnt like him which is precisely why they allowed the US to cover up his death. The US and the Bin Ladens are on the same side. They are all in business together.

Also as to which President gets in, why on earth does that matter? Those who are really in control are in control are above the Presidency, that is merely the figurehead puppet. It had nothing to do with securing elections but on carrying out their agenda in the Middle East which would have happened regardless of who was in the White House.

[AdamGB]

You'd think if he was killed during the bush years that bush would release it towards the end of his term to help his legacy and try to help keep his party in power?

Of course the American people only THINK that they have two choices of party... really it's all men behind the curtains pulling the strings, lizard men that is free mason, iluminanti lizard men.

[p4pking]

You'd think if he was killed during the bush years that bush would release it towards the end of his term to help his legacy and try to help keep his party in power?

Of course the American people only THINK that they have two choices of party... really it's all men behind the curtains pulling the strings, lizard men that is free mason, iluminanti lizard men.

I probably have as little faith in American policy as Bilbo or Miles do, but they need to draw the line somewhere and think for a few seconds. Bush and many wealthy Americans dealt with the Bin Laden family because they are Saudi oil kingpins, with strong ties to the Royal family. Osama was just their spoilt brat of a child who lost the plot somewhere and had nothing to do with American business interests.

[El Kabong]

Bilbo stop being a douchebag

And hell no why would we want Bin Laden alive? THAT would incite attacks and kidnappings etc with the crazy muslims wanting to free their zealot leader.

OBL got what he deserved...better than he deserved actually.

[Mark TKO]

THAT would incite attacks and kidnappings etc with the crazy muslims wanting to free their zealot leader.

very true. Could have been like Airforce One, Die Hard II , Toy Soldiers etc..


this outcome was for the best - though a short period in captivity and torture would have been better

[Mattyhitman]

In answer to the question: Yes.

Considering what happened to Saddam Hussien, I would of thought the same would have been done to OBL.

To show the world he had been captured and paraded on global television, then tried in court for his criminal activities would have been better imo.

Maybe the is some truth in what Bilbo is saying, who knows? and I guess we wont till the US divulges all the info regards to shooting.

Capture him, parade the capture, try him, then a public execution would have been the way I would have done it.