You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go

**No Contest** · 05-08-2011 09:55 PM

We've been doing this for years, not going to stop now. haha Judging by last nights fight Manny knocks Floyd down a few times, but gets outboxed a little bit making the fight closer, but wins a close decision. Fact!

**IamInuit** · 05-08-2011 11:06 PM

You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go

Who would?

Shane has no jab. Floyd has the best in the business. Shane lost his right hand by moving to his right. Floyd wont do that and has the best short right counter in boxing. A perfect southpaw counter. Shane stands straight up. Floyd fights like a Burley or Langford with that Philly shell. Shane cant fight on the back foot. Floyd if he needs to, is the best fighter on the planet off the back foot.

Floyd does everything great that Manny has issues with.

**AdamGB** · 05-08-2011 11:14 PM

Idiots will try and say that because Floyd couldn't knock Shane down... but manny could that this automatically means that manny is better.

That is a lot like saying that because Mosley stopped Margarito and knocked him down several times... whilst Margarito lasted the distance with Manny... that Shane is better than manny... obviously last night showed that this is not the case.

What I think it shows is that Manny is better fighting guys who are there, when they're on their bike he is not at his best. I think Floyd would capitalize on this and soften Manny up with some potshots... it'd be the typical Floyd... spending 3-4 rounds figuring a guy out and then pretty much shutting them out from there, Manny's phenomenal athleticism gives him a decent shout but I think Floyd handles him... too big a boxing brain.

**Julius Rain** · 05-08-2011 11:27 PM

I agree Daxx, the fights with Shane only adds to both Pac and Floyds ring reputation. It does not prove what could happen in a Pac vs Floyd fight. Mosley isn't even the only fighter both Pac and Floyd have fought. Oscar, Hatton and JMM are the other three.

Like I said the Shane fight only adds on to Pacs and Floyds ring reputation but we already know Pac and Floyd individually. Pac has speed and power Floyd has great defense and counters.

As for the comment about the fight not living up to the hype. I think the number 1 reason everyone wants to see the fight isn't the fight itself, it is the result that we all want to see. It could be boring but having a result at the end satisfies us.

**Jimanuel Boogustus** · 05-09-2011 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Idiots will try and say that because Floyd couldn't knock Shane down... but manny could that this automatically means that manny is better.

That is a lot like saying that because Mosley stopped Margarito and knocked him down several times... whilst Margarito lasted the distance with Manny... that Shane is better than manny... obviously last night showed that this is not the case.

What I think it shows is that Manny is better fighting guys who are there, when they're on their bike he is not at his best. I think Floyd would capitalize on this and soften Manny up with some potshots... it'd be the typical Floyd... spending 3-4 rounds figuring a guy out and then pretty much shutting them out from there, Manny's phenomenal athleticism gives him a decent shout but I think Floyd handles him... too big a boxing brain.

totally agree.

**mnmc10** · 05-09-2011 11:33 AM

i agree and i also said the same thing on another thread.

**Ant Live** · 05-09-2011 12:42 PM

All threads with Mosley name in it should be LOCKED!!! Better yet, CLOSE!!!

**johnsebastianmiran** · 05-10-2011 12:58 AM

Floyd has yet to be in a fight where he was fighting desperately to survive so the comparisons are not too accurate because no one really knows what he'll do and Manny may or may not be that opponent. He is however one thing for sure that Floyd is not and that is active. I'm taking nothing away from Floyd but ever since the Castillo fight and the fact that he had a hard time, one fight is not a gauge.

**Majesty** · 05-10-2011 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran

Floyd has yet to be in a fight where he was fighting desperately to survive so the comparisons are not too accurate because no one really knows what he'll do and Manny may or may not be that opponent. He is however one thing for sure that Floyd is not and that is active. I'm taking nothing away from Floyd but ever since the Castillo fight and the fact that he had a hard time, one fight is not a gauge.

Why do boxing fans always consider this a bad thing? That a fighter hasn't been made to have to fight life or death desperately to survive. Wouldn't that be a feather in the cap of the fighter to have been able to win against hard opposition and not be taken into the trenches. If Pacquiao had more of a history where he had to fight desperately to survive then that would mean that it's easier to drag him into the trenches and desperation mode than it is to take Mayweather to the same place, so wouldn't that be a bad thing if one fighter has shown in their career they can be taken there while the other hasn't no matter who was up against him? It's kind of like saying, Fighter A hasn't shown that he can be hurt to the body yet, Fighter B has been hurt to the body many times before, so if Fighter B can make Fighter A hurt to the body he can win. But what happens if Fighter A attacks Fighter B to the body?

So NOT being taken to the trenches shouldn't be seen as a disadvantage against someone that has. It means you don't put yourself in position to be taken there, not that you can't.

**Mars_ax** · 05-10-2011 01:47 AM