WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[C-Lo]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

[mafiajoey]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

What the Pactards failed to mention is that this test we are talking about in school.....yha the test you said someone said you cheated on. You want to know why? Cause you went from getting C's to getting A's and you won't show anyone where you came up with your methods for gaining this much more knowledge. So now they want you to take the test randomly and the teacher won't tell you what's going to be on the test or what day. Any student can study to pass a test they are familiar with. But every student is afraid of the random test they are unaware of what the questions are. Because when the teacher tells you whats going to be on the test then of course you will pass. Or we could say in reality these pro's been beating steroid tests for years. So reality is there is a reason the classmate is telling the teacher. And quite frankly the teacher should be asking but see the teacher in this case in the boxing world doesn't want to disrupt the lining of his pockets.

[mafiajoey]

I have always been a Pac fan for over 10yrs. I never thought back in 02-03 to even ponder him fighting Floyd. Even years later the thought never crossed my mind. So I can say I was a fan of both. I mean in all reality who wasn't? There weren't any Pac Haters before the whole "Accusations" started. At least I don't recall many except those who think JMM got robbed. So for myself I actually didn't have any disgust for the guy at all. But when he refused to take the test I thought why? Why would someone refuse a test. Sure go ahead and blame Floyd and say it's all his fault and all his lies... but if it wasn't Floyd it would be someone else. But all he would have to do is say yes and if Floyd made another demand then it's fuck Floyds B.S. Because fact is before Pac went and beat Floyds leftovers you all had Floyd P4P #1 so Floyd asking for a drug test isn't much to ask for. As some of you have stated the bigger champion can do what he wants And the simple fact is Pac's excuses are almost those of what a 3yr old might say. Seriously I started wondering if he gets his way so much in his home country that he doesn't even have to talk like a normal person. He sounds disabled. And he also can be rebutted on EVERY excuse he makes. He's not scared of needles. Hes taken blood and been in the gym the next day and everything else......


Plain and simple Pac won't take the test. He won't even call Floyds bluff. But the average Pactard is also a Floyd hater. And you guys could say vice versa. I'm a Floyd fan but I give it a few more months and if he doesn't seriously call Manny out then fuck Floyd too. And when I mean call out I mean let's put some pressure on Manny. Let's sign a contract and send it over. Manny will need to man up and take stupid 50million dollar test.

[brucelee]

I have always been a Pac fan for over 10yrs. I never thought back in 02-03 to even ponder him fighting Floyd. Even years later the thought never crossed my mind. So I can say I was a fan of both. I mean in all reality who wasn't? There weren't any Pac Haters before the whole "Accusations" started. At least I don't recall many except those who think JMM got robbed. So for myself I actually didn't have any disgust for the guy at all. But when he refused to take the test I thought why? Why would someone refuse a test. Sure go ahead and blame Floyd and say it's all his fault and all his lies... but if it wasn't Floyd it would be someone else. But all he would have to do is say yes and if Floyd made another demand then it's fuck Floyds B.S. Because fact is before Pac went and beat Floyds leftovers you all had Floyd P4P #1 so Floyd asking for a drug test isn't much to ask for. As some of you have stated the bigger champion can do what he wants And the simple fact is Pac's excuses are almost those of what a 3yr old might say. Seriously I started wondering if he gets his way so much in his home country that he doesn't even have to talk like a normal person. He sounds disabled. And he also can be rebutted on EVERY excuse he makes. He's not scared of needles. Hes taken blood and been in the gym the next day and everything else......


Plain and simple Pac won't take the test. He won't even call Floyds bluff. But the average Pactard is also a Floyd hater. And you guys could say vice versa. I'm a Floyd fan but I give it a few more months and if he doesn't seriously call Manny out then fuck Floyd too. And when I mean call out I mean let's put some pressure on Manny. Let's sign a contract and send it over. Manny will need to man up and take stupid 50million dollar test.

Just for the information of everybody.... Manny had been and is still calling Floyd to fight him.

Floyd is afraid that his zero will be tarnished so he won't fight Pac.

To be honest, I seriously think that Pac's overall skill ( speed, AGRESSIVENESS, defense and strategy) is better than Floyd and Pac's skill is GROSSLY UNDERRATED by many and most of his foes.

They would only find it out when they experience it first hand and when it is too late already.

He just made Dela Hoya, Margarito, Cotto and Shane looked like D or C type of fighters.

I will stand by what I see in Pac.

If Mayweather engages Pac, he will surely get knocked down.

If he runs around Pac, he will look like a Shane-desperately-trying-to-survive and Pac will win by UD.

If this fight happens, I will surely make a lifetime sig bet.

[marbleheadmaui]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

What the Pactards failed to mention is that this test we are talking about in school.....yha the test you said someone said you cheated on. You want to know why? Cause you went from getting C's to getting A's and you won't show anyone where you came up with your methods for gaining this much more knowledge. So now they want you to take the test randomly and the teacher won't tell you what's going to be on the test or what day. Any student can study to pass a test they are familiar with. But every student is afraid of the random test they are unaware of what the questions are. Because when the teacher tells you whats going to be on the test then of course you will pass. Or we could say in reality these pro's been beating steroid tests for years. So reality is there is a reason the classmate is telling the teacher. And quite frankly the teacher should be asking but see the teacher in this case in the boxing world doesn't want to disrupt the lining of his pockets.

Sorry, but only a chowderhead would say a three division lineal champ was in any way analagous to a "C" student. Manny was a GREAT fighter before he ever met Oscar De La Hoya.

[C-Lo]

At the end of the day, there is still no proof...

[mafiajoey]

At the end of the day, there is still no proof...

I understand........accusations aside don't you think if one wants testing we should have compromise? If Pac said he wouldn't fight Floyd unless he wore "X" gloves should they find a middle ground glove or throw the fight away? I just want the shit to happen as much as all. I do think Floyd plays games and if Manny agreed Floyd might lay more games but Manny calling him out as in signing papers and making it official would be a great thing.


There was also no proof I stole over a half million dollars in Plasmas one year. But I knew if I took the lie detector I would be guilty. So instead of taking the test I cried "False Accusations."

[InTheNeutralCorner]

At the end of the day, there is still no proof...

I understand........accusations aside don't you think if one wants testing we should have compromise? If Pac said he wouldn't fight Floyd unless he wore "X" gloves should they find a middle ground glove or throw the fight away? I just want the shit to happen as much as all. I do think Floyd plays games and if Manny agreed Floyd might lay more games but Manny calling him out as in signing papers and making it official would be a great thing.

I agree with the above statements.

The thing is when Manny came up with the excuses with regards to not accepting Floyd's drug test terms in the first negotiation, I was one of those who criticized him. And I'm a pacfan! I wish he called in Floyd's bluff because I truly think that Mayweather is just trying to find a way out of the fight. The ball was tossed in Manny's court and he blew it. Although I believe he had not used any PED or whatever drugs they accused him of, his behavior created a suspicion (no matter how small it is) to be implanted at the back of my mind. And to think that Manny tried to seek a compromise then by agreeing to lowering the cut-off date for the blood test.

Forward to the second negotiation, Manny accepted Floyd's drug test demand. The ball is now in Floyd's court. Whatever suspicion I have had been erased. Now, Floyd's excuses as to why the second negotiation failed (like there was no negotiation at all or going on vacation) reinforced my earlier belief that he was indeed ducking Manny. Mayweather did not even sought a compromise in this negotiation.

There was also no proof I stole over a half million dollars in Plasmas one year. But I knew if I took the lie detector I would be guilty. So instead of taking the test I cried "False Accusations."

But would you agree to take the lie detector test if it's your accuser and not law enforcement or the court who is insisting that you take it?

[mafiajoey]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

What the Pactards failed to mention is that this test we are talking about in school.....yha the test you said someone said you cheated on. You want to know why? Cause you went from getting C's to getting A's and you won't show anyone where you came up with your methods for gaining this much more knowledge. So now they want you to take the test randomly and the teacher won't tell you what's going to be on the test or what day. Any student can study to pass a test they are familiar with. But every student is afraid of the random test they are unaware of what the questions are. Because when the teacher tells you whats going to be on the test then of course you will pass. Or we could say in reality these pro's been beating steroid tests for years. So reality is there is a reason the classmate is telling the teacher. And quite frankly the teacher should be asking but see the teacher in this case in the boxing world doesn't want to disrupt the lining of his pockets.

Sorry, but only a chowderhead would say a three division lineal champ was in any way analagous to a "C" student. Manny was a GREAT fighter before he ever met Oscar De La Hoya.

Again I knew people would pick apart any analogy.......I wasn't referring to him and his skill as an actual C fighter. Let's start over... How about he was a B fighter and became an A fighter so fast that it hadn't been done. This wasn't an attempt to put him down. Quite frankly I know you guys think I am a Pac Hater. But when you stand behind someone and they let you down you get upset. I just thought Manny would agree instantly when it came about and that in itself would be calling Floyd's bluff. Hater? Maybe but put it this way...... when my father was on his death bed I wasn't bragging how he needed to see Floyd fight.....It was Manny I was telling him about. I will try and refrain from shit talk....It's pointless I know. And to be honest I respect my elders and those who know more. I'm only 32. The other day when I was going back and fourth with what's his face on here and he mentioned he was in his 60's I felt like shit. I wouldn't even argue with an elder. It's respect. And apologies to all. If it's Floyd ducking then Manny should just say hes taking the test and Floyd sends the papers over. Floyd doesn't send them then hes a bitch. If he does and Manny dodges then he is. This might be the first fight where we have two boxers who arent scared of each other. Maybe the middle people are scared to make it really happen?