PBF guranteed 50 million to face PACMAN

[mnmc10]

the risks of fighting pac is huge. pbf losing to pac means so much more compared to pac losing to pbf.

[captainanddew]

When the fight does happen, both guys will be slightly passed their prime. Really is a shame that this fight didn't happen a year or 18 months ago.

[THE THIRD MAN]

While Pacman beats up on old men, (Mosley) and over rated plaster casters (Margarito) we should be awaiting fight number 2 between Floyd and Pacman! As it happens we are no nearer having a first fight yet. If Pacman is on something then surely the World Anti Doping Agency would have a say? Am i missing something here? Nothing seems to happen after every Pacquaio fight so what is the beef?

[mafiajoey]

While Pacman beats up on old men, (Mosley) and over rated plaster casters (Margarito) we should be awaiting fight number 2 between Floyd and Pacman! As it happens we are no nearer having a first fight yet. If Pacman is on something then surely the World Anti Doping Agency would have a say? Am i missing something here? Nothing seems to happen after every Pacquaio fight so what is the beef?

What your missing is the tests they have in place now are bullshit and many people got away with cheating via steroids, peds, HGH and whatever else it might be.


Good reading below

The world's foremost expert on performance enhancing drugs,UCLA professor and researcher Dr. Donald Catlin, has supported Mayweather's position. Dr. Catlin is, essentially, the man who busted BALCO.

You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.

Manny is afraid to test. The very same testing that over 11,000 athletes (including Kobe Bryant, Lance Armstrong, LeBron James, Usain Bolt and the entire Filipino team) have undergone. Track star Tyson Gay was tested 28 times last year. Pacquiao fears this type of testing.

The allegations of Pacquiao's use of performance enhancing drugs are not baseless:

Where there's smoke...: Manny trains under the tutelage of Freddy Roach. Freddy was the trainer of James Toney during the period when Toney tested positive for steroids - twice. Roach also trained and maintains close personal relationships with Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone, two known steroid users. Additionally, Roach owns and runs the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Out of this gym, he has supervised a plethora of fighters with dirty body chemistry, namely Lucia Rijker and a coterie of MMA fighters.

Sudden performance gains: While Pacquiao has long been an elite level fighter, he recently connected with conditioning guru Alex Ariza and suddenly and dramatically improved his performance to all-time great levels. It strikes many boxing insiders as odd that the same fighter who was rattled by Juan Manuel Marquez and beaten by Erik Morales at 130 pounds is now dominating full-sized 147 pounders like Miguel Cotto. This type of late-career surge is reminiscent of Barry Bonds. Is it reasonable to believe that Manny and Ariza suddenly found a "special blend of supplements" (Ariza's words) that make Manny indestructible? Personally speaking, if I found this Holy Grail of vitamins, I would bottle and sell it ...while I spend the rest of my days lounging in seaside villas.

It's all in the reaction: Manny was given the opportunity to refute the mounting evidence against him. Instead, he has taken a predictable tactic of other steroid users: sue. As Shane Mosley, Roger Clemens and Marion Jones before him, Pacquiao has opted to file a defamation lawsuit. This is the worst possible company to be in. Rather than taking the tests, Manny prefers to be litigious than to be pugilistic.

The excuses don't hold water: In refusing the blood tests, the embattled Filipino boxer has brought forward a series of excuses that have all been shot down. Initially, he said that he was "afraid of needles". This was preposterous, as Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, quickly noted that Pacquiao has many tattoos. Then, it was said that blood testing "weakens" a fighter. Well, both fighters will undergo the same testing. Wouldn't Floyd also be affected? Additionally, the amount of blood taken is about a teaspoon. The body replenishes that quantity of blood within an hour. With 11,000 athletes undergoing doping tests at the Beijing Olympics, we continued to see improved athletic performances. Besides, have you heard a single one of those elite athletes - including anyone from the Philippines - complain previously about being weakened?

Mayweather, Roy Jones, Oscar Delahoya and Andre Ward are examples of boxers who fought in the Olympics and were subject to the strictest testing possible. But Pacquiao has refused.

The Filipino culture: The Philippines is one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the Pacific Rim. The international community has vilified the Philippines for their morally abhorrent practices in the dogmeat trade. Commercially, this island nation lags far behind Japan and Korea. Best known as a tourist destination for prostitution, and mail-order brides, the Philippines is fast becoming known for the drug trade as well. You need only to pop over to the Steroid Pinoy or Sulit websites to see that the Philippines embraces the use of steroids, where they are dispensed over the counter and cheap. Much of it is imported from neighboring China where laboratories are rampant.

Filipino WWE wrestler Batista is a steroid user and is closely aligned with Manny Pacquiao.

The most obvious answer is most often the right answer: people who are trying to hide something usually have something to hide. Manny Pacquiao is aggressively avoiding rigorous drug testing. In an era where we have seen our best athletes ensnared within the net of steroid use.

What are you hiding, Manny? Take the tests. Make the fight. Prove that you are clean.

TCG




Love how the Pactards use Floyd as the scapegoat. No middle ground, no seeing the other view. Yha Pac is God of course he wouldn't do anything wrong.



THREAD SHOULD SAY......MANNY REFUSES 50 MILLION DOLLAR DRUG TEST

99% OF THE PEOPLE HERE NOT ONLY WORSHIP MANNY BUT THEY HATE FLOYD. SO NO POINT IN DISCUSSING THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS SADDO'S PACLAND

[fan johnny]

While Pacman beats up on old men, (Mosley) and over rated plaster casters (Margarito) we should be awaiting fight number 2 between Floyd and Pacman! As it happens we are no nearer having a first fight yet. If Pacman is on something then surely the World Anti Doping Agency would have a say? Am i missing something here? Nothing seems to happen after every Pacquaio fight so what is the beef?

What your missing is the tests they have in place now are bullshit and many people got away with cheating via steroids, peds, HGH and whatever else it might be.

Good reading below

The world's foremost expert on performance enhancing drugs,UCLA professor and researcher Dr. Donald Catlin, has supported Mayweather's position. Dr. Catlin is, essentially, the man who busted BALCO.

You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.

Manny is afraid to test. The very same testing that over 11,000 athletes (including Kobe Bryant, Lance Armstrong, LeBron James, Usain Bolt and the entire Filipino team) have undergone. Track star Tyson Gay was tested 28 times last year. Pacquiao fears this type of testing.

The allegations of Pacquiao's use of performance enhancing drugs are not baseless:

Where there's smoke...: Manny trains under the tutelage of Freddy Roach. Freddy was the trainer of James Toney during the period when Toney tested positive for steroids - twice. Roach also trained and maintains close personal relationships with Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone, two known steroid users. Additionally, Roach owns and runs the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Out of this gym, he has supervised a plethora of fighters with dirty body chemistry, namely Lucia Rijker and a coterie of MMA fighters.

Sudden performance gains: While Pacquiao has long been an elite level fighter, he recently connected with conditioning guru Alex Ariza and suddenly and dramatically improved his performance to all-time great levels. It strikes many boxing insiders as odd that the same fighter who was rattled by Juan Manuel Marquez and beaten by Erik Morales at 130 pounds is now dominating full-sized 147 pounders like Miguel Cotto. This type of late-career surge is reminiscent of Barry Bonds. Is it reasonable to believe that Manny and Ariza suddenly found a "special blend of supplements" (Ariza's words) that make Manny indestructible? Personally speaking, if I found this Holy Grail of vitamins, I would bottle and sell it ...while I spend the rest of my days lounging in seaside villas.

It's all in the reaction: Manny was given the opportunity to refute the mounting evidence against him. Instead, he has taken a predictable tactic of other steroid users: sue. As Shane Mosley, Roger Clemens and Marion Jones before him, Pacquiao has opted to file a defamation lawsuit. This is the worst possible company to be in. Rather than taking the tests, Manny prefers to be litigious than to be pugilistic.

The excuses don't hold water: In refusing the blood tests, the embattled Filipino boxer has brought forward a series of excuses that have all been shot down. Initially, he said that he was "afraid of needles". This was preposterous, as Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, quickly noted that Pacquiao has many tattoos. Then, it was said that blood testing "weakens" a fighter. Well, both fighters will undergo the same testing. Wouldn't Floyd also be affected? Additionally, the amount of blood taken is about a teaspoon. The body replenishes that quantity of blood within an hour. With 11,000 athletes undergoing doping tests at the Beijing Olympics, we continued to see improved athletic performances. Besides, have you heard a single one of those elite athletes - including anyone from the Philippines - complain previously about being weakened?

Mayweather, Roy Jones, Oscar Delahoya and Andre Ward are examples of boxers who fought in the Olympics and were subject to the strictest testing possible. But Pacquiao has refused.

The Filipino culture: The Philippines is one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the Pacific Rim. The international community has vilified the Philippines for their morally abhorrent practices in the dogmeat trade. Commercially, this island nation lags far behind Japan and Korea. Best known as a tourist destination for prostitution, and mail-order brides, the Philippines is fast becoming known for the drug trade as well. You need only to pop over to the Steroid Pinoy or Sulit websites to see that the Philippines embraces the use of steroids, where they are dispensed over the counter and cheap. Much of it is imported from neighboring China where laboratories are rampant.

Filipino WWE wrestler Batista is a steroid user and is closely aligned with Manny Pacquiao.

The most obvious answer is most often the right answer: people who are trying to hide something usually have something to hide. Manny Pacquiao is aggressively avoiding rigorous drug testing. In an era where we have seen our best athletes ensnared within the net of steroid use.

What are you hiding, Manny? Take the tests. Make the fight. Prove that you are clean.

TCG

Love how the Pactards use Floyd as the scapegoat. No middle ground, no seeing the other view. Yha Pac is God of course he wouldn't do anything wrong.

THREAD SHOULD SAY......MANNY REFUSES 50 MILLION DOLLAR DRUG TEST

99% OF THE PEOPLE HERE NOT ONLY WORSHIP MANNY BUT THEY HATE FLOYD. SO NO POINT IN DISCUSSING THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS SADDO'S PACLAND

Your attempt at making any points are completely mute. Since there is NO FIGHT. There is no need for anyone to take any tests. Should there be a fight Pacquiao has already 'agreed to taking them, making your statement complete false and as has already been posted, a number of times, Floyd don't want to fight. And then you obviously like posting negative crap about Pacquiao. Your call to change the thread is bogus.

You make a bold statement about testing and provide nothing to support your statement. In fact, what you have unwittingly written is somewhat of an oxymoron. This is because boxing doesn't conduct the testing you accuse of being BS, the labs do the tests and they are the expert you have identified.

What you have posted as good reading is mostly inaccurate just crap.

[Hornfinger]

For 50 mil and the random tests he's got to take the fight. Nothing more to say on it.

I still think he'd beat pac, I just wonder about his age, time out of the ring and personal problems not to mention uncle roger.

[marbleheadmaui]

For 50 mil and the random tests he's got to take the fight. Nothing more to say on it.
I still think he'd beat pac, I just wonder about his age, time out of the ring and personal problems not to mention uncle roger.

Promise?

[KKisser]

While Pacman beats up on old men, (Mosley) and over rated plaster casters (Margarito) we should be awaiting fight number 2 between Floyd and Pacman! As it happens we are no nearer having a first fight yet. If Pacman is on something then surely the World Anti Doping Agency would have a say? Am i missing something here? Nothing seems to happen after every Pacquaio fight so what is the beef?

What your missing is the tests they have in place now are bullshit and many people got away with cheating via steroids, peds, HGH and whatever else it might be.


Good reading below

The world's foremost expert on performance enhancing drugs,UCLA professor and researcher Dr. Donald Catlin, has supported Mayweather's position. Dr. Catlin is, essentially, the man who busted BALCO.

You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.

Manny is afraid to test. The very same testing that over 11,000 athletes (including Kobe Bryant, Lance Armstrong, LeBron James, Usain Bolt and the entire Filipino team) have undergone. Track star Tyson Gay was tested 28 times last year. Pacquiao fears this type of testing.

The allegations of Pacquiao's use of performance enhancing drugs are not baseless:

Where there's smoke...: Manny trains under the tutelage of Freddy Roach. Freddy was the trainer of James Toney during the period when Toney tested positive for steroids - twice. Roach also trained and maintains close personal relationships with Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone, two known steroid users. Additionally, Roach owns and runs the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Out of this gym, he has supervised a plethora of fighters with dirty body chemistry, namely Lucia Rijker and a coterie of MMA fighters.

Sudden performance gains: While Pacquiao has long been an elite level fighter, he recently connected with conditioning guru Alex Ariza and suddenly and dramatically improved his performance to all-time great levels. It strikes many boxing insiders as odd that the same fighter who was rattled by Juan Manuel Marquez and beaten by Erik Morales at 130 pounds is now dominating full-sized 147 pounders like Miguel Cotto. This type of late-career surge is reminiscent of Barry Bonds. Is it reasonable to believe that Manny and Ariza suddenly found a "special blend of supplements" (Ariza's words) that make Manny indestructible? Personally speaking, if I found this Holy Grail of vitamins, I would bottle and sell it ...while I spend the rest of my days lounging in seaside villas.

It's all in the reaction: Manny was given the opportunity to refute the mounting evidence against him. Instead, he has taken a predictable tactic of other steroid users: sue. As Shane Mosley, Roger Clemens and Marion Jones before him, Pacquiao has opted to file a defamation lawsuit. This is the worst possible company to be in. Rather than taking the tests, Manny prefers to be litigious than to be pugilistic.

The excuses don't hold water: In refusing the blood tests, the embattled Filipino boxer has brought forward a series of excuses that have all been shot down. Initially, he said that he was "afraid of needles". This was preposterous, as Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, quickly noted that Pacquiao has many tattoos. Then, it was said that blood testing "weakens" a fighter. Well, both fighters will undergo the same testing. Wouldn't Floyd also be affected? Additionally, the amount of blood taken is about a teaspoon. The body replenishes that quantity of blood within an hour. With 11,000 athletes undergoing doping tests at the Beijing Olympics, we continued to see improved athletic performances. Besides, have you heard a single one of those elite athletes - including anyone from the Philippines - complain previously about being weakened?

Mayweather, Roy Jones, Oscar Delahoya and Andre Ward are examples of boxers who fought in the Olympics and were subject to the strictest testing possible. But Pacquiao has refused.

The Filipino culture: The Philippines is one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the Pacific Rim. The international community has vilified the Philippines for their morally abhorrent practices in the dogmeat trade. Commercially, this island nation lags far behind Japan and Korea. Best known as a tourist destination for prostitution, and mail-order brides, the Philippines is fast becoming known for the drug trade as well. You need only to pop over to the Steroid Pinoy or Sulit websites to see that the Philippines embraces the use of steroids, where they are dispensed over the counter and cheap. Much of it is imported from neighboring China where laboratories are rampant.

Filipino WWE wrestler Batista is a steroid user and is closely aligned with Manny Pacquiao.

The most obvious answer is most often the right answer: people who are trying to hide something usually have something to hide. Manny Pacquiao is aggressively avoiding rigorous drug testing. In an era where we have seen our best athletes ensnared within the net of steroid use.

What are you hiding, Manny? Take the tests. Make the fight. Prove that you are clean.

TCG




Love how the Pactards use Floyd as the scapegoat. No middle ground, no seeing the other view. Yha Pac is God of course he wouldn't do anything wrong.



THREAD SHOULD SAY......MANNY REFUSES 50 MILLION DOLLAR DRUG TEST

99% OF THE PEOPLE HERE NOT ONLY WORSHIP MANNY BUT THEY HATE FLOYD. SO NO POINT IN DISCUSSING THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS SADDO'S PACLAND

i know someone from team pac said something about manny being afraid of needles it could be koncz or arum i don't remember, but it's someone else not pacquiao. manny never really said he was afraid of needles and you could look up any news article on that with manny saying it himself and find nothing. and beside, being afraid of needles and getting tatoos are 2 different things. i wouldn't be afraid of getting tatoos but sure as heck squirm at getting injected with a needle but that's beside the point. teampac has been known to be disorganized when it comes to coming out with press statements and they've done a terrible job during the negotiations with regards to the mayweather drug testing issue. fact is manny is willing to take the blood test as long as it's not too close to the fight and he'll even take it right after the fight. pacquiao also had history of losing a fight and partly blamed it on blood taken from him a couple of days before the first morales encounter which he said it weakened him. there's a video on that on youtube immediately after he lost to erik. It could be physiological or mental but blood letting could affect one person and not the others as what happened to Asafa Powell in the Beijing Olympics.

these are old issues and been discussed over and over everywhere but the fact is team pacquiao is the only party actively pursuing this fight whereas floyd seems only interested in enjoying his vacation, spending time with his family and watching lady gaga.

[cyndee]

i think PBF is still looking for holes on Pacquiao's style that he can use or maybe he's waiting for him to get old.

[JonesJrMayweather]

i think PBF is still looking for holes on Pacquiao's style that he can use or maybe he's waiting for him to get old.

Well PBF is actually older than Manny, and FLoyd has beaten guys with even less holes than Manny.