Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
Whom did Monzon NOT fight who he should have? He fought Valdez in Monaco, Tonna in Paris, Licata in NYC, Napoles in Paris, Bouttier in Paris, Griffith in Monaco, Boggs in Denmark and Benvenuti in Italy. Coddled? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

I'm not going to play a game of semantics and what you think I think the word coddled means is irrelevant. He has a few names on his ledger that were at the time the present day Roty Jones equivalent by the time he fought them. Great fighters yes but not when he fought them.

You're simply wrong on McLarnin. He did almost EXACTLY what Manny has done. So Corbett had 130 fights? He was the reigning champion! After that fight he also went on to beat guys like Gus Lesnevich, Beep van Klavern and Fred Apistoli!

No I'm not you are wrong about Manny and I'll repeat myself. Nobody since 1681 has ever done anything near what Manny is presently doing. He's not just moving up and beating the cream of the crop he's killing them.

You misunderstand what I mean by THE MAN. I mean one was the legit champion of a division. Not the best of a series of legit champions. For example, right now JMM is THE MAN at 135.

Must have as I was thinking shit Duran defended his 135 title 12 times and went 71-1 with close to 60 ko's over a 13 year period.

I was talking Hagler's title run. Greb only had 3-4 defenses of the 160 crown. Nobody has ever done what Hagler did as champ at 160.

Hopkins defended the title 20 times. Greb beat 7 light heavyweight champions. Come on. He won the title after losing to Tunney. Did Hagler ever even consider 175. Greb was the champion before he ever got the "belt". Greb won the belt from Wilson, defended against Downey and then fought Tunney at 175 a week later. He then beat Loughran 2 weeks later. Over 300 fights and a handful of loses and only stopped twice. The most dominant middleweight in the history of the sport.

How could Shane have "railroaded" 135 when he only beat 3-4 ranked guys?

Ranked guys? Pay your fee and get you're very own ranking. He went 34 and 0 as a lightweight with 32 knockouts. I meant steamroll not railroad.
In the end its all subjective and interpretive. Their are no right or wrong answers.
Whow should Monzon have fought that he didn't and where to avoid the title "coddled."

I'm right and you're wrong about Manny. Starting at 112 and KO1 to win the 147 crown over a HOFer is objectively something Manny has never done.

By ranked guys I mean Ring Magazine ranked, not the alphabets who have an agenda.

No shit Sherlock this is all subjective...otherwise we'd have nothing to talk about