1973 George Foreman smokes EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!

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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.

I heard George Foreman was avoiding him, when they were both in there 40's making there comeback. But i don't know if thats true or not, but what i do know. Is that Larry Holmes's comeback was very underrated.

He beat up Ray Mercer, lost a close decision to Evander Holyfield. And deserved to be world champion at 45 but lost a razor thin close decision to Oliver McCall, which i think he won 7 rounds to 5.

I remember Holmes dropping his name alot, but think he was doing to Foreman what Foreman was doing with Tyson in comeback. Big bank and yeh...he believed he would whip George.

Holmes just flat out schooled Mercer...sort of picked up where Damiani left off before his nose was turned into a fire hose by Mercer. That was fun to watch. Holmes did well in run but had more then a few part time stunt doubles along the way. Still can't figure what that Paul poieir (?) thing was. If you didnt catch his fight with Quinn Navarre check it out see what you think. Been a while but I thought Navarre just boxed Holmes silly...bit of a rob job.

I've heard the Quinn Navarre fight was close, i haven't seen it though anywhere on the net. I've seen the Maurice Harris fight, and i have to admit despite Larry Holmes being one of my favourite boxers.

He did get a gift in that fight, but then again the man was in his late 40's, so i can forgive him for that. And remember he also had a few fights that should of gone his way. Spinks 2, Nielsen, McCall, so all in all it probably even's itself out.

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Foreman thought he was drugged before the Ali fight, and judging by the way he fought, i believe him. I've never seen George so inaccurate and wild with his punches.

[Gandalf]

No way Foreman smokes Tyson in 2. Tyson was a far superior fighter than Frazier in his prime IMO. He had underrated defence, was much faster and hit much harder too. Foreman would have had a tough time landing clean and would find Tyson hard to hurt too. Prime Tyson had great stamina and stayed active for the full 12 rounds. With prime Foreman there are question marks about his stamina and his defence wasn't the best.

He would have eaten Tysons power punches and I can see Tyson either stopping him or else settling for an easy points win. Tyson in his own way would have been the stronger and bigger man despite being shorter. He was a generation later and fighters were a good 10-20 pounds heavier then.

I see him being too much for Big George. Too quick, too technically adept and ultimately able to punch just as hard if not harder.

[generalbulldog]

Short, stocky, short armed heavyweights with a bobbing and weaving style are tailor made for Foreman. Just see his destruction of Joe Frazier. I can definitely imagine Tyson eating a few uppercuts from Foreman just like Frazier. And guess what? Tyson was vulnerable to the uppercut, see Tyson-Douglas where the right uppercut stunned Tyson and set up the knockout, and see the Tyson-Tucker fight in round 1 where Tyson was stunned with an uppercut, see Lewis-Tyson where he was hurt by the uppercut in round 1. So I say Foreman punches harder than any of those guys and if he times Tyson just like he timed Frazier with the uppercuts it's over. Tyson got wobbled and was seriously hurt by Bonecrusher Smith in the last 10 seconds of the fight, imagine if it was prime Foreman?

And Foreman in his prime weighed 215-230 depending on the foe, so Foreman would not be smaller than Tyson. Tyson would not be able to intimidate and bully Foreman, not to mentioned Tyson does have stamina problems, he even stated this in his 2009 documentary citing that he has a lung problem and it was a good thing many of his fights ended early.

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Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.

[Master]

Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.

Tyson was far more elusive and punched from angles that the bigger men could not see. Tyson was a quality boxer, who punched with speed and venom. Totally different animal to Frasier.

[Gandalf]

Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.

Tyson was far more elusive and punched from angles that the bigger men could not see. Tyson was a quality boxer, who punched with speed and venom. Totally different animal to Frasier.

Totally, I hate the Frazier/Tyson comparisons really. It's a lazy connection.

[Gandalf]

Short, stocky, short armed heavyweights with a bobbing and weaving style are tailor made for Foreman. Just see his destruction of Joe Frazier. I can definitely imagine Tyson eating a few uppercuts from Foreman just like Frazier. And guess what? Tyson was vulnerable to the uppercut, see Tyson-Douglas where the right uppercut stunned Tyson and set up the knockout, and see the Tyson-Tucker fight in round 1 where Tyson was stunned with an uppercut, see Lewis-Tyson where he was hurt by the uppercut in round 1. So I say Foreman punches harder than any of those guys and if he times Tyson just like he timed Frazier with the uppercuts it's over. Tyson got wobbled and was seriously hurt by Bonecrusher Smith in the last 10 seconds of the fight, imagine if it was prime Foreman?

And Foreman in his prime weighed 215-230 depending on the foe, so Foreman would not be smaller than Tyson. Tyson would not be able to intimidate and bully Foreman, not to mentioned Tyson does have stamina problems, he even stated this in his 2009 documentary citing that he has a lung problem and it was a good thing many of his fights ended early.

We are constantly told that this style and size is made for Foreman and are always given Frazier as the model. However, Tyson and Frazier are totally different fighters. Tyson in his own way was like a HW Pacquiao, he was hard to hit, had devastating power and would come at you with either hand. Sure Tyson could sometimes be hit with the uppercut, woopy doo. Foreman could be hit with practically anything, his defence was as leaky as a 400 ear old ceiling. Tyson would be on him in a flash and would have landed 3 punches before Foreman realised that Tyson was now in close and mauling him. It would be extremely frustrating for Foreman. Tyson wouldn't just stand on the outside like Frazier allowing Foreman to swing at the moving target. He would use his movement, land, get inside, rinse and repeat. Foreman would be too slow and ponderous to do anything about it. Tyson's handspeed was that good.

I refuse to listen to examples of Tyson post prison as that was a different beast and the style had unfolded. In fact, it unfolded post Bruno really, but he was still a fine athletic being and the power stayed along with great instincts, but technically he wasn't the same after Rooney left. The prime Tyson took anyones punch, was faster than almost every other heavyweight, hit just as hard and was extremely difficult to pin down. He would have given Foreman fits.

Tyson downplays a lot of his achievements these days. He hates boxing and all of that. He messed up a lot of his life, but even if he says his stamina was suspect, the evidence suggests otherwise. Even in going the distance, he always won every round and outworked his opponent. Tyson/Bonecrusher Smith was his very own Pac/Mosley. Not inspiring, but took every round for the decision. Foreman rarely went the distance himself and Ali showed that Foreman's ring IQ and stamina was average.

Tyson takes him.

[generalbulldog]

Short, stocky, short armed heavyweights with a bobbing and weaving style are tailor made for Foreman. Just see his destruction of Joe Frazier. I can definitely imagine Tyson eating a few uppercuts from Foreman just like Frazier. And guess what? Tyson was vulnerable to the uppercut, see Tyson-Douglas where the right uppercut stunned Tyson and set up the knockout, and see the Tyson-Tucker fight in round 1 where Tyson was stunned with an uppercut, see Lewis-Tyson where he was hurt by the uppercut in round 1. So I say Foreman punches harder than any of those guys and if he times Tyson just like he timed Frazier with the uppercuts it's over. Tyson got wobbled and was seriously hurt by Bonecrusher Smith in the last 10 seconds of the fight, imagine if it was prime Foreman?

And Foreman in his prime weighed 215-230 depending on the foe, so Foreman would not be smaller than Tyson. Tyson would not be able to intimidate and bully Foreman, not to mentioned Tyson does have stamina problems, he even stated this in his 2009 documentary citing that he has a lung problem and it was a good thing many of his fights ended early.

We are constantly told that this style and size is made for Foreman and are always given Frazier as the model. However, Tyson and Frazier are totally different fighters. Tyson in his own way was like a HW Pacquiao, he was hard to hit, had devastating power and would come at you with either hand. Sure Tyson could sometimes be hit with the uppercut, woopy doo. Foreman could be hit with practically anything, his defence was as leaky as a 400 ear old ceiling. Tyson would be on him in a flash and would have landed 3 punches before Foreman realised that Tyson was now in close and mauling him. It would be extremely frustrating for Foreman. Tyson wouldn't just stand on the outside like Frazier allowing Foreman to swing at the moving target. He would use his movement, land, get inside, rinse and repeat. Foreman would be too slow and ponderous to do anything about it. Tyson's handspeed was that good.

I refuse to listen to examples of Tyson post prison as that was a different beast and the style had unfolded. In fact, it unfolded post Bruno really, but he was still a fine athletic being and the power stayed along with great instincts, but technically he wasn't the same after Rooney left. The prime Tyson took anyones punch, was faster than almost every other heavyweight, hit just as hard and was extremely difficult to pin down. He would have given Foreman fits.

Tyson downplays a lot of his achievements these days. He hates boxing and all of that. He messed up a lot of his life, but even if he says his stamina was suspect, the evidence suggests otherwise. Even in going the distance, he always won every round and outworked his opponent. Tyson/Bonecrusher Smith was his very own Pac/Mosley. Not inspiring, but took every round for the decision. Foreman rarely went the distance himself and Ali showed that Foreman's ring IQ and stamina was average.

Tyson takes him.

Do you know why Tyson is usually compared to Frazier? Well for one they are both short and stocky HWs with short reaches, secondly they both have a very similar style in the bobbing and weaving to get inside because of their lack of height and reach. And Tyson throughout this career was susceptible to the uppercuts as I have listed, yeah woopy doo, he only got stunned numerous times by other fighters and was on queer street when Buster Douglas landed and then was knocked out. Those are facts. Lastly, '73 Foreman just walked through punches that didn't faze him or hurt him or wobble him, it was only after the '74 Ali fight that he was mentally messed up and looked vulnerable. We're talking about a '73 Foreman here.

Another thing, Mosley never got Manny hurt, Bonecrusher Smith had him wobbled and Tyson looked to be in serious trouble before the round and fight ended. And another thing Tyson looked very ordinary in many fights even with Rooney in his corner. See Green fight, Bonecrusher Smith fight, Tucker fight, Tillis fight, etc. This whole Iron Mike was invincible under Rooney was completely false.

[Gandalf]

Short, stocky, short armed heavyweights with a bobbing and weaving style are tailor made for Foreman. Just see his destruction of Joe Frazier. I can definitely imagine Tyson eating a few uppercuts from Foreman just like Frazier. And guess what? Tyson was vulnerable to the uppercut, see Tyson-Douglas where the right uppercut stunned Tyson and set up the knockout, and see the Tyson-Tucker fight in round 1 where Tyson was stunned with an uppercut, see Lewis-Tyson where he was hurt by the uppercut in round 1. So I say Foreman punches harder than any of those guys and if he times Tyson just like he timed Frazier with the uppercuts it's over. Tyson got wobbled and was seriously hurt by Bonecrusher Smith in the last 10 seconds of the fight, imagine if it was prime Foreman?

And Foreman in his prime weighed 215-230 depending on the foe, so Foreman would not be smaller than Tyson. Tyson would not be able to intimidate and bully Foreman, not to mentioned Tyson does have stamina problems, he even stated this in his 2009 documentary citing that he has a lung problem and it was a good thing many of his fights ended early.

We are constantly told that this style and size is made for Foreman and are always given Frazier as the model. However, Tyson and Frazier are totally different fighters. Tyson in his own way was like a HW Pacquiao, he was hard to hit, had devastating power and would come at you with either hand. Sure Tyson could sometimes be hit with the uppercut, woopy doo. Foreman could be hit with practically anything, his defence was as leaky as a 400 ear old ceiling. Tyson would be on him in a flash and would have landed 3 punches before Foreman realised that Tyson was now in close and mauling him. It would be extremely frustrating for Foreman. Tyson wouldn't just stand on the outside like Frazier allowing Foreman to swing at the moving target. He would use his movement, land, get inside, rinse and repeat. Foreman would be too slow and ponderous to do anything about it. Tyson's handspeed was that good.

I refuse to listen to examples of Tyson post prison as that was a different beast and the style had unfolded. In fact, it unfolded post Bruno really, but he was still a fine athletic being and the power stayed along with great instincts, but technically he wasn't the same after Rooney left. The prime Tyson took anyones punch, was faster than almost every other heavyweight, hit just as hard and was extremely difficult to pin down. He would have given Foreman fits.

Tyson downplays a lot of his achievements these days. He hates boxing and all of that. He messed up a lot of his life, but even if he says his stamina was suspect, the evidence suggests otherwise. Even in going the distance, he always won every round and outworked his opponent. Tyson/Bonecrusher Smith was his very own Pac/Mosley. Not inspiring, but took every round for the decision. Foreman rarely went the distance himself and Ali showed that Foreman's ring IQ and stamina was average.

Tyson takes him.

Do you know why Tyson is usually compared to Frazier? Well for one they are both short and stocky HWs with short reaches, secondly they both have a very similar style in the bobbing and weaving to get inside because of their lack of height and reach. And Tyson throughout this career was susceptible to the uppercuts as I have listed, yeah woopy doo, he only got stunned numerous times by other fighters and was on queer street when Buster Douglas landed and then was knocked out. Those are facts. Lastly, '73 Foreman just walked through punches that didn't faze him or hurt him or wobble him, it was only after the '74 Ali fight that he was mentally messed up and looked vulnerable. We're talking about a '73 Foreman here.

Another thing, Mosley never got Manny hurt, Bonecrusher Smith had him wobbled and Tyson looked to be in serious trouble before the round and fight ended. And another thing Tyson looked very ordinary in many fights even with Rooney in his corner. See Green fight, Bonecrusher Smith fight, Tucker fight, Tillis fight, etc. This whole Iron Mike was invincible under Rooney was completely false.

But their styles are not particularly similar. I will grant you that they both had head movement and were stocky, but Tyson was much faster, clearly hit harder, threw combinations better and had a significantly better defence. Just watch the fighters back to back. Frazier is in no way a mirror of prime Mike Tyson. You talk about Tyson being hurt by Douglas and yet only want to focus on a prime Foreman yourself. That's unfair. Tyson didn't train for that fight and had been losing his technique since kicking Rooney out. Prime Tyson, ie the Tyson of 1988 was a different beast too.

Tyson was exceptional up until Bruno and even then was better than everyone else. Sure, he might have gone the distance a couple of times, but how many rounds did he lose? Marquez hurt Manny, but that happens in boxing. Wippy doo. All fighters can be hurt, Tyson had a couple of moments, but was he ever in danger of losing fights? Was he bollocks.

Mike Tyson under D'Amato and Rooney was the best heavyweight in boxing history and that is all there is to it. He could evade most of your punches and would land several to your one. The only way to beat him is to stop him and that is why I favour him against Foreman. Unless Foreman knocks Tyson clean out then he will either lose a decision or get sparked himself whilst looking for the homerun.