WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I WILL NEVER SAY CATAGORICALLY THAT SOMEONE IS CLEAN IF THEY HAVENT PASSED RANDOM BLOOD TESTING.

Give us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?

If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if Manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that Manny is clean?

I haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but I would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.

Yep I would have been satisfifed that Manny was clean for that fight.

Thanks for the reply. See ..... I can be civil if the person I'm communicating with is civil.

I would respond to this after I see the reply from mafiajoey and miles, that is if they intend to reply?

I don't think the two are going to respond to my question so I might as well reply to hornfinger's response.

If you are satisfied with whatever the outcome would have been of Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then you should still be satisfied with it even if it's in the second, third or tenth negotiation. Manny would have fulfilled this requirement in the second negotiation and it was Floyd's action (not wanting to fight and going on vacation) that prevented this from happening. While the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation, it has shifted in the second since Manny agreed to the test.

And you really don't care as to the randomness of the test because you will be satisfied with Floyd's demand that has a 14 day cut-of period. This makes marbleheadmaui's above post make sense.

[Hornfinger]

You keep asking me who I think is clean and for the 5th time I'll give you the same answer I DON'T THINK ANYONES CLEAN! So I have no names to give you.

You don't think anyone is clean so why do you keep on going after Manny!!!
Did he traumatize you or something

Awww diddums am I picking on Manny pacquiao aww

Because pacquiao is the only one to have come up with a load of rediculous excuses to avoid testing when it wass offered.

Also the thread title is about Manny and Floyd. That is the subject matter. Why am I going to talk about another boxer when the topic is manny?

Why this obsession with finding out whether one boxer is clean when you admitted that you don't think anyone is clean? It's like obsessing about whether this one neighbor pays taxes when you don't think the rest of your neighbors pay taxes.

And we all know that you always talk about Manny (in a negative way, of course) even when the topic is not about him. Don't be shy, admit it.

And I'm still waiting for the response to this?

Aren't you concerned that everytime you watch boxing, your thoughts are that they're already cheating and they don't even need to go through those random blood tests? At least Manny agreed to some test whereas the rest aren't even going to have one at all.

I really am starting to think that you are retarded. For real.

Because You ask a question I answer it, you ask the same question Again and I answer it and so on and so on. It seems I have to write an answer 5 times in big bold writing for you to be able to read it.

Here is the answer to your post AGAIN

Awww diddums am I picking on Manny pacquiao aww

Because pacquiao is the only one to have come up with a load of rediculous excuses to avoid testing when it wass offered.

Also the thread title is about Manny and Floyd. That is the subject matter. Why am I going to talk about another boxer when the topic is manny?

You're a moron. Maybe you did not read the statement above that I have to highlight in red.

Do you want me to post those threads in here? Because if I do and it shows that I'm right, would you apologize and admit that you're a moron?

I thought the 'aww diddums' part of the last post got the message across. Obviously not mr retard.

Pacquiao fans view anything slightly negative about pacquiao as some kind of vendetta. If you're not a pactard that sucks mannys dick then obviously your a hater. That is the pactard philosophy.

At the moment I think he's fighting shot opposition and his drug test excuses are laughable and make him look guilty as fuck.

I hate all steroid cheats. Roy jones, Mosely, all of em. Even though I loved watching roy and could see he had emmence talent, his career is tarnished for me.

Happy with the reply or do I have to post it 4 more times in bold writing?

[Hornfinger]

I WILL NEVER SAY CATAGORICALLY THAT SOMEONE IS CLEAN IF THEY HAVENT PASSED RANDOM BLOOD TESTING.

Give us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?

If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if Manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that Manny is clean?

I haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but I would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.

Yep I would have been satisfifed that Manny was clean for that fight.

Thanks for the reply. See ..... I can be civil if the person I'm communicating with is civil.

I would respond to this after I see the reply from mafiajoey and miles, that is if they intend to reply?

I don't think the two are going to respond to my question so I might as well reply to hornfinger's response.

If you are satisfied with whatever the outcome would have been of Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then you should still be satisfied with it even if it's in the second, third or tenth negotiation. Manny would have fulfilled this requirement in the second negotiation and it was Floyd's action (not wanting to fight and going on vacation) that prevented this from happening. While the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation, it has shifted in the second since Manny agreed to the test.

And you really don't care as to the randomness of the test because you will be satisfied with Floyd's demand that has a 14 day cut-of period. This makes marbleheadmaui's above post make sense.

Not nessasarily. If he knows 2-3 months before a training camp that he could be tested within that period he can clean out his body. So yes I believe he'd be clean for that fight.

I still believe part of the negotiation break down the first time could have been because pac and his team didn't think they'd have enough time to clean the shit out of his system before the testing period commenced.

I wouldn't have catagorically said he was clean. I would have said he was clean for THAT fight.

Shane and floyd were clean for THAT fight.

[mafiajoey]

I WILL NEVER SAY CATAGORICALLY THAT SOMEONE IS CLEAN IF THEY HAVENT PASSED RANDOM BLOOD TESTING.

Give us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?

If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if Manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that Manny is clean?

I haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but I would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.

If Manny agreed to test be it 1st, 2nd, or 50th negotiation...and we had proof he agreed. As in he signed his part of the contract....then I am satisfied. I'm not 100% convinced he is on anything. I never thought he was. I never, ever thought he was until he came with the worst excuse after excuse and he made himself look guilty by opening his mouth. He should just call Floyd out and send over "signed paperwork" and if Floyd bullshits then I say fuck Floyd for being a bitch. But above I referenced "signed paperwork" cause some people here actually think cause Manny, Roach or Bob say something that they mean it. Sure they will say Manny agreed or this or that while they are negotiation his next victim before fighting the one in front of him.


It was the excuses that killed me. It was the B.S. Manny said....for the love of God if he agreed and took the test and fought Floyd regardless of outcome I would be happy.


I also think that after the first negotiation Pac and fans and everyone on his balls have done everything possible to "Claim" they agreed the second time. Proof? And now they just ride out the "Blame Floyd" roller coaster and Manny keeps avoiding the test. So that's why I have doubt. Not saying he is on something 100% but he just runs and even when he so called agrees.......it's only verified by him, Roach and Arum. They always say this shit. And they keep lining up fight after fight before fights are signed to avoid the test. But Pac fans don't want to believe it. Just like I would like to think Floyd isn't ducking Manny and I don't. But harsh reality is if Manny signs to test "I want Proof" then Floyd is a ducker and I will accept it. But the logic of a Pac fan is that they "worship" him so he could do no wrong. See us Flomos as you call us don't actually like Floyd so we are open to both sides of the story. Pac fans are not. He is god therefore he is clean.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

You keep asking me who I think is clean and for the 5th time I'll give you the same answer I DON'T THINK ANYONES CLEAN! So I have no names to give you.

You don't think anyone is clean so why do you keep on going after Manny!!!
Did he traumatize you or something

Awww diddums am I picking on Manny pacquiao aww

Because pacquiao is the only one to have come up with a load of rediculous excuses to avoid testing when it wass offered.

Also the thread title is about Manny and Floyd. That is the subject matter. Why am I going to talk about another boxer when the topic is manny?

Why this obsession with finding out whether one boxer is clean when you admitted that you don't think anyone is clean? It's like obsessing about whether this one neighbor pays taxes when you don't think the rest of your neighbors pay taxes.

And we all know that you always talk about Manny (in a negative way, of course) even when the topic is not about him. Don't be shy, admit it.

And I'm still waiting for the response to this?

Aren't you concerned that everytime you watch boxing, your thoughts are that they're already cheating and they don't even need to go through those random blood tests? At least Manny agreed to some test whereas the rest aren't even going to have one at all.

I really am starting to think that you are retarded. For real.

Because You ask a question I answer it, you ask the same question Again and I answer it and so on and so on. It seems I have to write an answer 5 times in big bold writing for you to be able to read it.

Here is the answer to your post AGAIN

Awww diddums am I picking on Manny pacquiao aww

Because pacquiao is the only one to have come up with a load of rediculous excuses to avoid testing when it wass offered.

Also the thread title is about Manny and Floyd. That is the subject matter. Why am I going to talk about another boxer when the topic is manny?

You're a moron. Maybe you did not read the statement above that I have to highlight in red.

Do you want me to post those threads in here? Because if I do and it shows that I'm right, would you apologize and admit that you're a moron?

I thought the 'aww diddums' part of the last post got the message across. Obviously not mr retard.
Of course your last post did not get the message across because it makes no sense, stupid. And I'm not the only one who called you this.

Pacquiao fans view anything slightly negative about pacquiao as some kind of vendetta. If you're not a pactard that sucks mannys dick then obviously your a hater. That is the pactard philosophy.
This has more to do with your illogical reasoning rather than negative comment on Pacquiao. I have also criticized Manny.
Quite a number of unbias posters in this thread have lambasted you on your illogical reasoning. You are the one who calls those who criticize your drug test views as pactards.

At the moment I think he's fighting shot opposition and his drug test excuses are laughable and make him look guilty as fuck.
Yes, Manny had fought some shot oppositions but the overall volume and quality of his fights are still impressive. Try to have someone go up several weight class fighting 'shot opposition' and see how far they will succeed.
I have criticized Manny for those drug test excuses but that was in the first negotiation. He had the burden of proof then but it had shifted in the second negotiation when Manny agreed but Floyd refused to fight.

I hate all steroid cheats. Roy jones, Mosely, all of em. Even though I loved watching roy and could see he had emmence talent, his career is tarnished for me.
I hate all cheats, not just steroids. That's why I hate Margarito. But unlike you, I don't assume that they are cheaters without proof.

Happy with the reply or do I have to post it 4 more times in bold writing?
No need to post them again. Even if you post them a thousand times, they still would not make sense.

R e a d ..... m y ..... a b o v e ..... r e p l y .

Is that clear enough for you?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

i will never say catagorically that someone is clean if they havent passed random blood testing.

give us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?

if manny agreed to floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that manny is clean?

i haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but i would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.

yep i would have been satisfifed that manny was clean for that fight.

thanks for the reply. See ..... I can be civil if the person i'm communicating with is civil.

I would respond to this after i see the reply from mafiajoey and miles, that is if they intend to reply?

i don't think the two are going to respond to my question so i might as well reply to hornfinger's response.

If you are satisfied with whatever the outcome would have been of floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then you should still be satisfied with it even if it's in the second, third or tenth negotiation. Manny would have fulfilled this requirement in the second negotiation and it was floyd's action (not wanting to fight and going on vacation) that prevented this from happening. While the burden of proof was with manny in the first negotiation, it has shifted in the second since manny agreed to the test.

And you really don't care as to the randomness of the test because you will be satisfied with floyd's demand that has a 14 day cut-of period. This makes marbleheadmaui's above post make sense.

not nessasarily. If he knows 2-3 months before a training camp that he could be tested within that period he can clean out his body. So yes i believe he'd be clean for that fight.
but isn't that what matters so that floyd will not have an excuse not to fight manny?

i still believe part of the negotiation break down the first time could have been because pac and his team didn't think they'd have enough time to clean the shit out of his system before the testing period commenced.
maybe, and your doubt seems reasonable.

i wouldn't have catagorically said he was clean. I would have said he was clean for that fight.
agree. But the fact that that testing did not happen is because of floyd's actions hence the burden of proof does not lie with manny anymore.

shane and floyd were clean for that fight.
it's just unfortunate that you call yourself a boxing fan yet you think shane and floyd has the only clean fight.

[:::PSL:::]

Joeygotfingered,

I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.

Where the fuck is it?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

If Manny agreed to test be it 1st, 2nd, or 50th negotiation...and we had proof he agreed. As in he signed his part of the contract....then I am satisfied. I'm not 100% convinced he is on anything. I never thought he was. I never, ever thought he was until he came with the worst excuse after excuse and he made himself look guilty by opening his mouth. He should just call Floyd out and send over "signed paperwork" and if Floyd bullshits then I say fuck Floyd for being a bitch. But above I referenced "signed paperwork" cause some people here actually think cause Manny, Roach or Bob say something that they mean it. Sure they will say Manny agreed or this or that while they are negotiation his next victim before fighting the one in front of him.

If Manny agress to the drug test, the burden of proof shifts to the opposing boxer. How many times do I have to say this?
There can not be a "signed paperwork" if Floyd's team even denies that the second negotiation took place.

It was the excuses that killed me. It was the B.S. Manny said....for the love of God if he agreed and took the test and fought Floyd regardless of outcome I would be happy.

Both parties came up with excuses in the first negotiation. Some think that the blood test demand was Floyd's excuse to avoid the fight and Manny did not call in Floyd's bluff. When Manny agreed in the second negotiation, Floyd's refusal appear to give credibility to the suspicion that he was indeed avoiding Manny.

I also think that after the first negotiation Pac and fans and everyone on his balls have done everything possible to "Claim" they agreed the second time. Proof? And now they just ride out the "Blame Floyd" roller coaster and Manny keeps avoiding the test. So that's why I have doubt. Not saying he is on something 100% but he just runs and even when he so called agrees.......it's only verified by him, Roach and Arum. They always say this shit. And they keep lining up fight after fight before fights are signed to avoid the test. But Pac fans don't want to believe it. Just like I would like to think Floyd isn't ducking Manny and I don't. But harsh reality is if Manny signs to test "I want Proof" then Floyd is a ducker and I will accept it. But the logic of a Pac fan is that they "worship" him so he could do no wrong. See us Flomos as you call us don't actually like Floyd so we are open to both sides of the story. Pac fans are not. He is god therefore he is clean.

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Yes, team Pacquiao claimed they agreed to the drug test. It's up to team Mayweather to prove that they're bluffing.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

[Hornfinger]

Joeygotfingered,

I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.

Where the fuck is it?

Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......


Sarcasm aside....

As I said in another thread. This argument is the silliest most retarded thing that you can grasp at. It dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic.... I could go on all day...

Testing solves everything. It gives proof either way. Pacfans should be wanting their hero to take the tests so you can rub it in our faces that he's clean as a whistle. You don't want him taking the tests cuz you have your doubts. I find that funny.

[Hornfinger]

i will never say catagorically that someone is clean if they havent passed random blood testing.

give us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?

if manny agreed to floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that manny is clean?

i haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but i would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.

yep i would have been satisfifed that manny was clean for that fight.

thanks for the reply. See ..... I can be civil if the person i'm communicating with is civil.

I would respond to this after i see the reply from mafiajoey and miles, that is if they intend to reply?

i don't think the two are going to respond to my question so i might as well reply to hornfinger's response.

If you are satisfied with whatever the outcome would have been of floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then you should still be satisfied with it even if it's in the second, third or tenth negotiation. Manny would have fulfilled this requirement in the second negotiation and it was floyd's action (not wanting to fight and going on vacation) that prevented this from happening. While the burden of proof was with manny in the first negotiation, it has shifted in the second since manny agreed to the test.

And you really don't care as to the randomness of the test because you will be satisfied with floyd's demand that has a 14 day cut-of period. This makes marbleheadmaui's above post make sense.

not nessasarily. If he knows 2-3 months before a training camp that he could be tested within that period he can clean out his body. So yes i believe he'd be clean for that fight.
but isn't that what matters so that floyd will not have an excuse not to fight manny?

i still believe part of the negotiation break down the first time could have been because pac and his team didn't think they'd have enough time to clean the shit out of his system before the testing period commenced.
maybe, and your doubt seems reasonable.

i wouldn't have catagorically said he was clean. I would have said he was clean for that fight.
agree. But the fact that that testing did not happen is because of floyd's actions hence the burden of proof does not lie with manny anymore.

shane and floyd were clean for that fight.
it's just unfortunate that you call yourself a boxing fan yet you think shane and floyd has the only clean fight.

All of your replies are irrelevent retarded shite, apart from the last part which just takes it to a new level because it makes no sence.

I am a boxing fan because I believe in fair and even contests. I believe that that is what is best for the sport. Tell me another contest that had olympic style random testing before it and I'll agree it was a clean fight.

[Hornfinger]

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

i will never say catagorically that someone is clean if they havent passed random blood testing.

give us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?

if manny agreed to floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that manny is clean?

i haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but i would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.

yep i would have been satisfifed that manny was clean for that fight.

thanks for the reply. See ..... I can be civil if the person i'm communicating with is civil.

I would respond to this after i see the reply from mafiajoey and miles, that is if they intend to reply?

i don't think the two are going to respond to my question so i might as well reply to hornfinger's response.

If you are satisfied with whatever the outcome would have been of floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then you should still be satisfied with it even if it's in the second, third or tenth negotiation. Manny would have fulfilled this requirement in the second negotiation and it was floyd's action (not wanting to fight and going on vacation) that prevented this from happening. While the burden of proof was with manny in the first negotiation, it has shifted in the second since manny agreed to the test.

And you really don't care as to the randomness of the test because you will be satisfied with floyd's demand that has a 14 day cut-of period. This makes marbleheadmaui's above post make sense.

not nessasarily. If he knows 2-3 months before a training camp that he could be tested within that period he can clean out his body. So yes i believe he'd be clean for that fight.
but isn't that what matters so that floyd will not have an excuse not to fight manny?

i still believe part of the negotiation break down the first time could have been because pac and his team didn't think they'd have enough time to clean the shit out of his system before the testing period commenced.
maybe, and your doubt seems reasonable.

i wouldn't have catagorically said he was clean. I would have said he was clean for that fight.
agree. But the fact that that testing did not happen is because of floyd's actions hence the burden of proof does not lie with manny anymore.

shane and floyd were clean for that fight.
it's just unfortunate that you call yourself a boxing fan yet you think shane and floyd has the only clean fight.

All of your replies are irrelevent retarded shite, apart from the last part which just takes it to a new level because it makes no sence.

I am a boxing fan because I believe in fair and even contests. I believe that that is what is best for the sport. Tell me another contest that had olympic style random testing before it and I'll agree it was a clean fight.

Didn't you admit that you only think Floyd and Shane's fight is clean? So, you think the rest are dirty. And you call yourself an idiot ...... I mean a boxing fan.

Boxing could improve the way they test their athletes for drugs. But until then, if you are to remain a boxing fan you have to be satisfied with the regulation they have in place. Otherwise, you are just deluding yourself with a sport that you think is tainted.

[:::PSL:::]

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

He's getting slaughtered with what?...

[InTheNeutralCorner]

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

Oh sorry, my mistake. You are indeed delusional.